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Crimea is the cradle of Russian Orthodoxy in Russia.
Christening of Knyaz' Vladimir in Crimea is the cradle of Russian Orthodoxy? Why not Jerusalem or Constantinople then, why Russia doesn't claim Turkey where Vladimir' baptizers came from?
Little historical reminder, controlling Black Sea and Dardanelles straights was an obsession of the Russian czars, "protection" of Jerusalem Christians was a rough equivalent to the "protection of the Russian speakers" in the days of Nicholas I. The use of "Jerusalem Christians" card to justify the war of aggression against Turkey (to grab Dardanelles) lead to the first Crimean war in 1850s, Russia was an aggressor, do they teach that in the Russian schools? Nothing new under the Sun, huh? Itching for the restoration of Imperial Dignity lead to the Russian involvement in WWI, where chauvinistic crowds were demanding speedy conquest of the Black Sea straights.
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Why I love Russia!Crimea was important for Russia and even always my region was in such danger because of the Crimea.
Sudetenland, Austria and Poland were Important to Germany, so what? Your region was in mild danger of some bombardments because of aggressive imperialism of Nicholas I, European nations deemed him to be too dangerous for European peace back in the days.
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During the Crimean War. Defending the Crimea, Russia could lose the Russian Far East. So it was for that fight.So anyway Crimea played an important role in Russian history
Crimean war was never about Crimea, it was about taming Russian Imperialism in the Near East. Also, Crimea played an important role in Greek and Turkey history, so what? It's not 19th century. Putin' stupidity has Planetary repercussions. Mankind has so freaking many issues, and a little Russian Fuhrer tries to replay 19th century real-politics on a sinking Titanic, Putin' (and Russian people) idiocy would inevitably lead to more military spending and waste at the worst time possible.
Christening of Knyaz' Vladimir in Crimea is the cradle of Russian Orthodoxy? Why not Jerusalem or Constantinople then, why Russia doesn't claim Turkey where Vladimir' baptizers came from?
Little historical reminder, controlling Black Sea and Dardanelles straights was an obsession of the Russian czars, "protection" of Jerusalem Christians was a rough equivalent to the "protection of the Russian speakers" in the days of Nicholas I. The use of "Jerusalem Christians" card to justify the war of aggression against Turkey (to grab Dardanelles) lead to the first Crimean war in 1850s, Russia was an aggressor, do they teach that in the Russian schools? Nothing new under the Sun, huh? Itching for the restoration of Imperial Dignity lead to the Russian involvement in WWI, where chauvinistic crowds were demanding speedy conquest of the Black Sea straights.
Sudetenland, Austria and Poland were Important to Germany, so what? Your region was in mild danger of some bombardments because of aggressive imperialism of Nicholas I, European nations deemed him to be too dangerous for European peace back in the days.
Crimean war was never about Crimea, it was about taming Russian Imperialism in the Near East. Also, Crimea played an important role in Greek and Turkey history, so what? It's not 19th century. Putin' stupidity has Planetary repercussions. Mankind has so freaking many issues, and a little Russian Fuhrer tries to replay 19th century real-politics on a sinking Titanic, Putin' (and Russian people) idiocy would inevitably lead to more military spending and waste at the worst time possible.
Facts!First contacts Kievan Rus with the Crimea and the Black Sea coast dated to the middle of VIII century . At the beginning of the IX century , with the rise of the Khazar Khanate , begins the struggle for influence in the region between the three major forces : the Byzantines (who had trading colonies throughout the southern coast of Crimea ) , Khazars , Pechenegs and Russian .In 1016, Vladimir's son Mstislav Svyatoslavich using fleet sent by the Byzantine emperor Basil the Sea of Azov , the Khazar army defeated and captured the Khazar warlord George Tsulo who supported antivizantiysky rebellion in Chersonesos . Khazaria lost all Crimea . Remains of the Khazars in 1079 captured in Tmutarakan Prince Oleg and Svyatoslav , who fought with the great prince of Kiev Vsevolod . Khazars killed brother Oleg and gave the prince himself in Constantinople. In 1083 he returned to Oleg Svyatoslavich Tmutarakan and destroyed all the Khazars. From this moment khazars longer appear in the sources.Learn the right story .
The Crimean War was in effect on Russian banks Rothschild. At the time, Russia was not only tied to its banks. This is more than an economic war.
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Instead of your regret we prefer to receive property of Russia in Ukraine: )
Already inventory began. Previously your property is estimated in 800 billion dollars +.
Ukraine is the Russian land if we mean by that an adjective derived from the noun "Rus", "Rus" - "Russian", simple. Ukraine is not Russian land if we mean by that "Russian state" a geo-political entity that mushroomed around Moscow Principality starting in 14th century. The entity that "privatized" the brand "Rus" and invented fake lineage of power succession, fake history period, that is supposed to justify the Russian state grabbing the lands associated with Kievan Rus forever and ever.
Again, what's fake here - are your own inventions.
There was no "fake lineage of power succession" or "privatization of the brand "Rus." The Moscow princes were direct descendents of Kiev's princes. Here is yet another history lesson for you - sorry since don't have time to explain to you in details, you can just read Wikipedia -
Kievan Rus is name for a loose confederation of mostly Slavic tribes paying tribute to a "boss" ruler-knyaz residing in Kiev, all lesser rulers were supposed to be vassals of Kiev' Knyaz,
They were all not just simply "vassals," - they were all closely related family members - the princes that were ruling "less important cities" of Kievan Rus, Moscow including.
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Kievan Rus ceased to exist almost 900 years ago. Ironically, it's Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky of Vladimir sacked Kiev in 1169, completely destroyed and plundered the city, drowned that city in blood and just withdrew without claiming possession.
Start paying attention that Andrej Bogolubsky was a son of Yury Dolgorukiy, prince of Kiev.
It was a "political" message of a sort, North Western Rus principalities needed no stinky blessing of Kiev' Knyaz' to settle their succession and power matters.
No, it was the very same political message - "Andrei Bogolyubsky tried to unite Rus' lands under his authority. From 1159 he persistently struggled for submission of Novgorod to his authority and conducted a complex military and diplomatic game in South Rus. In 1169 his troops took Kiev. After plundering the city, [2] stealing much religious artwork, which included the Byzantine "Mother of God" icon,[3] he returned to the northeast afterwards. This act underlined the declining importance of that city. "
So there we go - already back then, BEFORE the Tatar invasion the importance of Kiev was declining and from those times already Russian princes were trying to unite Russian lands under their command. None of them managed to accomplish this task except for the princes of Moscow principality.
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Yet, 900 year later, Russia (i.e. NW Rus) claim it's one and the only true & pure descendant of Kievan Rus.
Actually this is correct and Russia is the only true and pure descendent of Kievan Rus. So when someone like Van Rompuy is saying that "Ukraine's future belongs with the EU" and not with Russia, he is making a mistake of historical proportions. We are yet to see the consequences of this mistake.
Facts!First contacts Kievan Rus with the Crimea and the Black Sea coast dated to the middle of VIII century . At the beginning of the IX century , with the rise of the Khazar Khanate , begins the struggle for influence in the region between the three major forces : the Byzantines (who had trading colonies throughout the southern coast of Crimea ) , Khazars , Pechenegs and Russian .In 1016, Vladimir's son Mstislav Svyatoslavich using fleet sent by the Byzantine emperor Basil the Sea of Azov , the Khazar army defeated and captured the Khazar warlord George Tsulo who supported antivizantiysky rebellion in Chersonesos . Khazaria lost all Crimea . Remains of the Khazars in 1079 captured in Tmutarakan Prince Oleg and Svyatoslav , who fought with the great prince of Kiev Vsevolod . Khazars killed brother Oleg and gave the prince himself in Constantinople. In 1083 he returned to Oleg Svyatoslavich Tmutarakan and destroyed all the Khazars. From this moment khazars longer appear in the sources.Learn the right story .
You are so blind in your narrow nationalism. Even assuming that your recitation of the links of Kievan Rus' with Crimea are correct. So what? It was more than 1000 years ago. Show me another country appealing to the murky 1000 years old history to settle issues in the present? Even Israel doesn't do that.
Ukraine and Ukrainians have just as many "rights" for Kievan Rus' heritage, if not more, as Russians do. Russian "privatization" of Kievan Rus' history and heritage would be just insanely ridiculous if not for the spread of that insanity among the Russians (in the sense of the Russian state) people.
Instead of your regret we prefer to receive property of Russia in Ukraine: )
Already inventory began. Previously your property is estimated in 800 billion dollars +.
You always have fantastic figures. It is a pity that my accounts department can not carry so fantastic estimates.you know how to do cadastral valuation and accounting?
You are so blind in your narrow nationalism. Even assuming that your recitation of the links of Kievan Rus' with Crimea are correct. So what? It was more than 1000 years ago. Show me another country appealing to the murky 1000 years old history to settle issues in the present? Even Israel doesn't do that.
Ukraine and Ukrainians have just as many "rights" for Kievan Rus' heritage, if not more, as Russians do. Russian "privatization" of Kievan Rus' history and heritage would be just insanely ridiculous if not for the spread of that insanity among the Russians (in the sense of the Russian state) people.
Not worth sharing Russian, Ukrainian and Belarus - all Russian.You forgot that the Crimea was several hundred Russian and 54 years? and until 1990 he was only formally Ukrainian.
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