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Old 03-25-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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You think, I should really worry about what Lavrov (or Putin) says (publicly)?

Looks like you do.
It's not about "worrying" - it's about seeing a bigger picture, that goes beyond the G8. ( or G7 now)
And the bigger picture is G 20 and how Russian actions are perceived there.
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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P.S. And while we are at that, can you please deny or confirm this report that I see on RT -

"The recent robbing of passengers, traveling from Russia to Moldova via Ukraine’s territory, by a local ultra-nationalist Insurgent Army is a manifestation of “anarchy,” the Russian Foreign Ministry has said.
On March 21, the train, en route from Moscow to the capital of Moldova, Chisinau, made a scheduled stop in the city of Vinnitsa in central Ukraine.
To the horror of passengers…people dressed in the uniform of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) got into carriages and began a ‘document check’. People who showed Russian passports were then made to hand over their money and golden jewelry,” the Russian Ministry said on Monday in a statement published on its website.
The robbery was accompanied with “political sensitization,” diplomats said.
Moscow also said it was “bewildered” by the refusal of the Ukrainian police to take any action when the victims attempted to file a report."


http://rt.com/news/anarchy-ukraine-train-robbery-873/


RT is obviously not my favorite source of information, but if what they are saying is true...
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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It's not easy to be on anyone's side in this mess as every side involved (US, EU, Nato, Russia, Ukraine) has acted wrongly and/or immorally.

I think this situation shows again that the current international laws are far from perfect and have to be overhauled as they are against human nature. Peoples' will should prevail over the territorial integrity of countries. There are many similar time bombs just waiting to explode...


I don't care about the future of the Ukraine, frankly. I just want people on all sides to calm down and behave like adults again. The world needs a strong, non-isolated Russia (along with China) as a counterpart to the West's efforts to rule the world. We need a multipolar world as none of the big countries alone serves as an example to follow. The big crooks should keep each other at bay.
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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To me it's not about "right or wrong" any longer - I simply follow logically the outcome of things that took place earlier.
You mean, you use "logic" to explain why "West" is wrong and Russia is right?

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Old 03-25-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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It's not about "worrying" - it's about seeing a bigger picture, that goes beyond the G8. ( or G7 now)
And the bigger picture is G 20 and how Russian actions are perceived there.
The word "worry" in this sentence means "trust".
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Old 03-25-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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You mean, you use "logic" to explain why "West" is wrong and Russia is right?
No, just seeing two sides of the story.

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Old 03-25-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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No, just seeing two sides of the story.
I hope, you do.

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Old 03-25-2014, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The Pravyi Sektor deputy 'Führer' was killed yesterday (resisted arrest with a pistol and police used deadly force), and the Interior Ministry are sweeping the Maidan arresting all lead figures and undemocratic and possibly criminal extremists.

Wonder how the Russian propaganda will put it. "Fascists" arresting ultra-nationalists.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:33 PM
 
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"Concerns about possible tougher sanctions have been adding to worries over Russia's economy, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg reports from Moscow.

According to the country's deputy economy minister, capital flight this year is expected to reach $70 bn (£43 bn) by the end of March, meaning more money has left Russia in the last three months than in the whole of 2013, our correspondent reports.

Read: BBC News - Ukraine: Obama says Russia 'acting out of weakness'

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Old 03-25-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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"War in Ukraine Looking More Likely"

"In last Tuesday's speech at the Kremlin before the treaty-signing ceremony incorporating Crimea into Russia, Putin practically declared that Russia has rights to southeastern Ukraine. He also used the words "divided nation" and "national traitors" — just as Adolf Hitler had done when he referred to national "Verräter" or traitors."

Read: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...ly/496872.html

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