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Russia would never ever be a EU country, this is simply unimaginable. NATO would never attack Russia first. This is proven by the fact that the allies practice military defense against potential intruders, Russia on the other hand always practices the attack and invasion of other countries. That already gives a picture about Russia's intentions, it knows that it doesn't face a direct threat from a NATO member attacking it. If Russia wasn't so aggressive towards it's neighbors, Poland etc. needn't be members of NATO, so only Russia is to blame for countries in the eastern art of Europe joining the NATO. It's their right to seek protection from an attack of the Russians.
In the past the countries of eastern Europe and Europe have done their share of mischief my friend. Pilsudski, Hitler, Napoleon to name a few. Look at Saakashvili the tie muncher in 2008. I suppose you think Russia started that war? I think Russia has reason to be wary and aggressive at times considering some of the tendencies of the powers in the neighborhood.
No matter, war is coming IMO and it may be extremely costly for you people over there and possibly the whole world. As I stated above, Russia is not the only one playing games. You should keep in mind just whos boots you are licking. They value peace and life very little.
In the past the countries of eastern Europe and Europe have done their share of mischief my friend. Pilsudski, Hitler, Napoleon to name a few. Look at Saakashvili the tie muncher in 2008. I suppose you think Russia started that war? I think Russia has reason to be wary and aggressive at times considering some of the tendencies of the powers in the neighborhood.
No matter, war is coming IMO and it may be extremely costly for you people over there and possibly the whole world. As I stated above, Russia is not the only one playing games. You should keep in mind just whos boots you are licking. They value peace and life very little.
Do you honestly believe that France, Germany of today are the same as back in the days of Napoleon and Hitler? They are not even remotely the same. You don't hear about them making plans to invade their neighboring countries. They have learned from the mistakes of the past, now Russia hasn't changed a bit. It carries out military exercises trying to simulate/prepare themselves to invade other neighboring countries (Zapad 2009, where together with Belarus they exercised the invasion of the Baltics and delivering a nuclear strike on Warsaw). Now if NATO allies would exercise such scenarios... like nuking St. Petersburg and Moscow and what not, how would Kremlin react?
Russia would never ever be a EU country, this is simply unimaginable. NATO would never attack Russia first.
NATO probably would have never "attacked" NATO per se, but it would kept on threatening Russian interests, entering the countries that are vital for Russian economic interests, like in case with Ukraine.
As I've already said, the wars today are not won by the warfare, they are won by money and NATO is a part of this scheme.
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This is proven by the fact that the allies practice military defense against potential intruders, Russia on the other hand always practices the attack and invasion of other countries.
Of course not. Russia has been attacked plenty of times in history - probably more than any other country and in most serious ways. The idea of "buffer zones" didn't come to Russians out of nowhere. You just need to know a bit more history before constantly judging things exclusively from "Estonian perspective."
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That already gives a picture about Russia's intentions, it knows that it doesn't face a direct threat from a NATO member attacking it. If Russia wasn't so aggressive towards it's neighbors, Poland etc. needn't be members of NATO, so only Russia is to blame for countries in the eastern art of Europe joining the NATO. It's their right to seek protection from an attack of the Russians.
And Russia probably wouldn't have been "so aggressive" towards "its neighbors," if her "neighbors" wouldn't have been playing in hands of other major powers that were bent on setting scores with Russia throughout history.
Russia would never ever be a EU country, this is simply unimaginable. NATO would never attack Russia first. This is proven by the fact that the allies practice military defense against potential intruders, Russia on the other hand always practices the attack and invasion of other countries. That already gives a picture about Russia's intentions, it knows that it doesn't face a direct threat from a NATO member attacking it. If Russia wasn't so aggressive towards it's neighbors, Poland etc. needn't be members of NATO, so only Russia is to blame for countries in the eastern art of Europe joining the NATO. It's their right to seek protection from an attack of the Russians.
I am realistic about it. To most people Nato is more or less a synonym for the US. Even American insiders, for instance former secret service employees, are saying that the US wants to dominate the world and that Russia and China are the only remaining obstacles to that. While countries like Germany on their own would probably not attack Russia again, the governments of most of Europe have been infiltrated and undermined by the US since the end of WWII, which is why those governments don't listen to their respective peoples. Germans for instance have a lot of understanding for Russia's position, but that is not reflected at all by their government, which is just a puppet of Washington. You could also see it during the NSA leaks and with the planned EU-US economic union. The German government outright ignores Germans' opinion and acts against it.
The same goes for the EU government a level above the national governments. They outright ignore Europeans' opinion because Brussels has been infiltrated and undermined by Washington, which wants the EU to become one unit because it hates bilateral agreements between countries. There is an army of American lobbyists buying, blackmailing, threatening, and otherwise pressuring EU politicians to take US-conform decisions. An EU expansion is automatically a US expansion towards the east. It is all about world domination, the multipolar equilibrium from the cold war has long been abandoned. If the US could, they would destroy Russia as there has always been that blind hate for Russia.
Make no mistake, the US (not its mostly ignorant people, but the government and apparatus) is an evil country and greedy war monger, compared to which Russia is a choir boy.
Thus I absolutely understand Russia's position. It should act accordingly, for instance by striking similar deals with Iran and other anti-American countries, i.e. an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia, with all the consequences. And I hope Russia will join forces with China, we really need to make the world less American as some Chinese politicians said a while ago.
It doesn't matter. Nato has broken their promise. They could simply have refused to grant Poland etc. Nato membership. In that case Russia might have become a potential EU country itself by now. Why would Russia not have a say in what happens in its front garden? Remember the fuss the US made during the Cuban missile crisis? Nobody wants people in their front garden that they don't trust...
Again, the West has to forget its ridiculous attitude that the West is good and who is against the West is bad.
And why should Russia have more of a say of what happens in Poland then the Poles themselves?
Poland is a sovereign independent nation. If the Poles want to join the European Union - its Poland's business and no one else. Not Russia, not the United States, not China, India or anyone else. Just the people of Poland and the EU.
And if the Poles feel threatened by another nation, they have a right as a independent nation to seek allies. Perhaps you are upset that the Poles (and btw just about every other nation in Eastern Europe) have chosen to join the western NATO alliance. In that case, instead of attacking the West, you can ask the question why are the people of Eastern Europe so nervous about Russia?
And why should Russia have more of a say of what happens in Poland then the Poles themselves?
Because what Russia is saying is just what Russia is saying.
What Poles are saying is what US is saying.
See? It's not just about Russia and Poland - a clear cut.
It's about Russia and a foreign force, not Poland, really.
There was no reason to be afraid of Russia when the SU dissolved, to the contrary it was an opportunity for a new start, an opportunity the West failed to seize. Poland etc. joined the West because they were broke and needed money fast. Same as with the Ukraine now by the way. They are sucking up to the West because they have ruined their country's economy.
Let's not forget that the West wanted to destroy Russia, which is why Reagan asked gulf states to reduce the price of their oil so that Russia's economy - always dependent on oil and gas exports - would collapse.
Because what Russia is saying is just what Russia is saying.
What Poles are saying is what US is saying.
See? It's not just about Russia and Poland - a clear cut.
It's about Russia and a foreign force, not Poland, really.
So Poland joined NATO and the EU because they were controlled by the United States. What sort of outdated thinking? Nations controlling other nations. Do you think the United States controls the governments of all 28 NATO members? These days the United States government cannot even control its own country.
But regardless its interesting to see the Russian viewpoint.
This actually explains a lot. Russians apparently believe if one of the smaller neighbors wants to be independent, it must be because of outside forces. Its not because, say the Polish people, or the Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, Ukrainians etc. simply want to be free and independent. NO! Its because of mysterious outside forces led by "fascists" are against them.
NATO probably would have never "attacked" NATO per se, but it would kept on threatening Russian interests, entering the countries that are vital for Russian economic interests, like in case with Ukraine.
As I've already said, the wars today are not won by the warfare, they are won by money and NATO is a part of this scheme.
Of course not. Russia has been attacked plenty of times in history - probably more than any other country and in most serious ways. The idea of "buffer zones" didn't come to Russians out of nowhere. You just need to know a bit more history before constantly judging things exclusively from "Estonian perspective."
And Russia probably wouldn't have been "so aggressive" towards "its neighbors," if her "neighbors" wouldn't have been playing in hands of other major powers that were bent on setting scores with Russia throughout history.
Certainly not the most attacked country or region.
It's not just an Estonian perspective, it's the perspective of people who've had plenty of first-hand experience. Your viewpoint seems to solely be coming from that of Russia
This actually explains a lot. Russians apparently believe if one of the smaller neighbors wants to be independent, it must be because of outside forces. Its not because, say the Polish people, or the Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, Ukrainians etc. simply want to be free and independent. NO! Its because of mysterious outside forces led by "fascists" are against them.
Yup. That plus the "Hah, we finally showed them after 20 years of f*cking our country up" mentality, is what I don't get about Putin supporters.
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