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Dear inhabitants of America. I read the comments on the forum and came to the conclusion that You are solely false information. Russia did not start the war against Ukraine. In the Russian Federation there is no aggression. On the territory of Ukraine to kill all who belong to the Russian nationality and expelled them. At the same time the Ukrainian people the glory of Bandera. Bandera was with Hitler as a brother. The Russian Federation at the diplomatic level, trying to reduce casualties among the Russian Diaspora in Ukraine and the government of America and the European Union is opposed to our attempt.
So Poland joined NATO and the EU because they were controlled by the United States.
Not exactly. They wanted the protection of the United States; control comes with it, since nothing is free in this world.
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What sort of outdated thinking? Nations controlling other nations.
That's not "outdated," but very contemporary and realistic thinking.
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Do you think the United States controls the governments of all 28 NATO members?
Up to a certain degree - yes.
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These days the United States government cannot even control its own country.
It still does, but of course the internal problems of the country keep on growing.
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But regardless its interesting to see the Russian viewpoint.
I am not sure that the point of view that I'm exressing is all that "Russian." In fact people og my circle in Russia are adamant to recognize the takeover of Crimea and they are seething with indignation towards Putin. They totally reject my point of view))))
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This actually explains a lot. Russians apparently believe if one of the smaller neighbors wants to be independent, it must be because of outside forces.
See, when "smaller neighbors" want to be "independent" from Russia, this "independence" is on the paper only. In the reality they are just changing the master, and although part of them naively believe that they are "fighting for independence," those in think tank meanwhile are of course making deals with foreign powers.
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Its not because, say the Polish people, or the Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, Ukrainians etc. simply want to be free and independent. NO! Its because of mysterious outside forces led by "fascists" are against them.
Sorry I lived in the West long enough to see what this "independence" is all about in practical sense of it. West taught me to be practical - a quality that I didn't have in particular while living in Russia.
Tymoshenko has no political power, as she has no seat in the government. And the West see trough her. Tells something that the bun-head was in medical care in Germany for quite the time and Merkel didn't went to visit her once.
Yup. That plus the "Hah, we finally showed them after 20 years of f*cking our country up" mentality, is what I don't get about Putin supporters.
If you and I were Russians we would probably be upset about what happened about the fall of the Soviet Union. What nation would not be upset to lose their empire? But this blame it all on mysterious outside forces and a vast Western conspiracy is just ridiculous.
On a side note - Viribusunitis, you are from Austria. Apparently your nation is "controlled" by the United States. Did the USA force Austria to join the EU? Does Obama force Vienna to do things against its will?
Imagine that the current government of Ukraine is 220 thousand well armed and trained soldiers on the border with Russia.
Imagine that you Turchynov and Yatsenyuk there are hundreds of fighters and thousands of tanks along the Russian borders.
Imagine that crazy Julia received a nuclear weapon and pointed it in the direction of Russia.
What would the steps of the current Ukrainian authorities floor
The second question: why Putin, who has 220 thousand soldiers, hundreds of fighters and thousands of tanks on the border with Ukraine, is not a war in Kyiv? According to the laws of the genre of which he was supposed to cry Ulcini words «will make mincemeat of the entire Ukraine, your mother»... So why don't he do all this?
In short, the answer is: because Russia is a great country, and not byThat these countries still exist on the map, there will of Russia. She allowed and allows this to take place, despite the rabid Russophobia, despite the anger and hatred and provocation.
On a side note - Viribusunitis, you are from Austria. Apparently your nation is "controlled" by the United States. Did the USA force Austria to join the EU? Does Obama force Vienna to do things against its will?
Yes, the referendum in 1994 was clearly staged by the US
Yes, the referendum in 1994 was clearly staged by the US
The referendum was "staged" by the US in a different way; the whole idea of EU came as the result of Europe's inability to compete with the US financially. The US uni lingual market was beating European countries ( and their smallish markets) big time.
The referendum was "staged" by the US in a different way; the whole idea of EU came as the result of Europe's inability to compete with the US financially. The US uni lingual market was beating European countries ( and their smallish markets) big time.
Edit: To add something substantial: Yes, we (somehow) united, because together our economy is stronger. You see, those are the things you can do when you are actually friends with your neighbors. No need to invade them. We've been there, done that. But in the end it's not the best solution as it turned out...
Plus, do I really have to comment on the Russian economy?
Russia would never ever be a EU country, this is simply unimaginable. NATO would never attack Russia first. This is proven by the fact that the allies practice military defense against potential intruders, Russia on the other hand always practices the attack and invasion of other countries. That already gives a picture about Russia's intentions, it knows that it doesn't face a direct threat from a NATO member attacking it. If Russia wasn't so aggressive towards it's neighbors, Poland etc. needn't be members of NATO, so only Russia is to blame for countries in the eastern art of Europe joining the NATO. It's their right to seek protection from an attack of the Russians.
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