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In my opinion we should distance themselves from combatants. I feel no sympathy for them. But even without them there will be an inner conflict between different regions.
Well, how competitive is the Eastern Ukrainian heavy industry today? At least as a part of the agreements with the EU they would benefit from the customs-free zone. Both the Russian and Ukrainian economies have been stuck in the 1991, and neither are competitive today. The don't know how to tackle globalisation and how actually develop the economy. The Donbass separatists use 1991 methods and think that if they become a Russian puppet state or join Russia, the world will turn back to 1991. But it won't happen.
Becoming something of a semi-state led by a junta waving AK's and which hardly any nation will recognise, is probably the worst option.
And it's not the EU's responsibility to do make things better, it's Ukraine's and the people in the Donbass. But if turning towards the EU, it can at least cushuon the fall. My message to the Donbass separatists are: welcome to 2014.
(And the ethnic Ukrainians are still the majority in every single Oblast.)
This is the issue I ahve addressed before, and really the heart of all of this. There are two parts to this issue;
1. West Ukraine needs a weakened east Ukraine. East Ukraine has maintained political power through its economic base, and west Ukraine and its supporters need east Ukraine to be weakened in order to obtain political power. Remember, it has been east Ukraine carrying the elections and political weight, they can do this because of their economic power that carries with it their economic power.
2. The EU deal basically will remove the ecnomic power from the east, thus the political power as well. This is why east Ukraine is so supportive of the EU deal. You see, Ukraine being in this EU agreement will have to curtail its exports and imports into Ukraine because of the EU agreement. This will impact industry in Ukraine as they will not be able to sell to Russia, and they will not be able to purchase from Russia as well as they do now. Unlike many other former USSR republics and influenced areas, Ukraine is very well integrated economically with Russia, the USSR border was deisgned for it to be this way.
Despite the rhetoric of this being an ethnic issue, and too many it is, this is an economic issue; there are many Ukrainians against the EU agreement, and many ethnic Ukrainians who are for east Ukraine. Likewise, there are many ethnic Russians for the EU agreement, and for Ukraine to remain together. But reality is most people of all ethnic groups have a lot of apathy towards the whole thing. But seldom in hsitory has it been large groups making any changes, in fact it has been minority groups elading the charge.
Re: Ethnic Ukrainians ....majority in the Oblasts.
The more and longer separatists keep up the violence in Ukraine's oblasts the further the country will slip into anarchy. Of course, an event the Putinists relish. That certainly makes It much harder for the Ukrainian parliament to come to grips with all that ethnic divisiveness. Looks to me there is every intention by Russia to disabuse Ukraine of the notion that they can work toward a good functional and working democracy where the country can approach its issues in Back and forth parliamentary proceedings.
What Russia is exporting to the east is simply violent disruption to ward off probable democratic movement within the country. Par for the course as Russia is wedded to autocracy. It is in its state DNA.
There is no ethnic divide, this is political rhetoric politicians are using. Fact is there are numerous ethnic Ukrainians who are against Kiev, and while that does not mean they are for east Ukraine either, that does not mean they are for what Kiev is doing right now. There are also many who are for east Ukraine to separate, a lot of ethnic Ukrainians have economic interests as well. To think all ethnic Ukrainians are together on this is like saying all white Americans think the same politically.
Ukraine had a good functioning democracy, remember? Yanukovich was voted into power by a fair election, the next election was scheduled for 2015. A few did not like the election results, so they took undemocratic actions. Now, why should anyone in Ukraine trust any election? Why should east Ukraine trust anyone they vote for will not be ousted again?
Russia did not export anything, it was western Ukrainians who took the anti-democratic violent route. It was them who ousted a democratically elected leader, not Russia. It was the new Kiev gov that sent troops to east Ukraine and started firing on them, not Russia.
2. The EU deal basically will remove the ecnomic power from the east, thus the political power as well. This is why east Ukraine is so supportive of the EU deal. You see, Ukraine being in this EU agreement will have to curtail its exports and imports into Ukraine because of the EU agreement.
BS. The EU doesn't prohibit anyone from trading with Russia. For example 9.4% of the Finnish export and 18% of the import is with Russia. Secondly, the EU has no jurisdiction to tell anybody anything that isn't even part of the EU!
The EU has no special love for Ukraine, and it doesn't give a crap with whom Ukraine does trade with.
All EU vs Russia -crap is nothing but make-believe BS. EU doesn't want to "own" Ukraine, EU has no need for Ukraine, and Ukraine will get no shortcut into the EU.
BS. The EU doesn't prohibit anyone from trading with Russia. For example 9.4% of the Finnish export and 18% of the import is with Russia. Secondly, the EU has no jurisdiction to tell anybody anything that isn't even part of the EU!
The EU has no special love for Ukraine, and it doesn't give a crap with whom Ukraine does trade with.
All EU vs Russia -crap is nothing but make-believe BS. EU doesn't want to "own" Ukraine, EU has no need for Ukraine, and Ukraine will get no shortcut into the EU.
Did I say "prohibit"? Show me where I stated this. I stated "curtail", meaning some items will be restricted or reduced from trading between Russia and Ukraine.
I think you need to read the Association Agreement a little more closely, it is effectively setting up a free trade area, this always has implications for trade inside and outside the zone. The EU will have jurisdiction because Ukraine has signed an agreement granting the EU authority of many trade and economic issues.
Fact is there are numerous ethnic Ukrainians who are against Kiev, and while
that does not mean they are for east Ukraine either, that does not mean they are
for what Kiev is doing right now
I can see that ...like I can see that there perhaps are Russians in Russia who do not like Ukrainian policy...but that doesn't count. They're like sparrow farts. Fact is there is political disagreement in Ukraine but let them work it. Rossiya, under the circumstances, doth protests too too much pouring more and more oil on the fires.
Hey do we see tanks coming in now? Ukraine has complained about Russia letting it through the 'porous' border. Another dream maybe like no 'Russians' in the place? Recenelt, Mr. Putin said he pulled the troops away. Could this be the followup?
The storming of Mariupol of the Ukrainian national guards.
Look at 01:00
This is Chevron 1st air brigade of the U.S. armed forces (1st Aviation Brigade Golden Hawks) - units of the helicopter, which, however, is composed of all necessary specialists to carry out raids deep "behind the lines".
The storming of Mariupol of the Ukrainian national guards.
Look at 01:00
This is Chevron 1st air brigade of the U.S. armed forces (1st Aviation Brigade Golden Hawks) - units of the helicopter, which, however, is composed of all necessary specialists to carry out raids deep "behind the lines".
Here they are at home:
Uniform shirt brigade:
Very doubtful. The patch and clothes could have come from anywhere, I have a Soviet uniform, I could wear it, but that does not make me a Soviet soldier.
The US also would not ever put that unit into anything like this, way too amateur for this kind of stuff. If the US is involved (and I do believe they are directly involved) then it is by way of third parties and the CIA.
Very doubtful. The patch and clothes could have come from anywhere, I have a Soviet uniform, I could wear it, but that does not make me a Soviet soldier.
That might be true, but I am curious who'd wear this patch, why, and whom Ukrainian interpreter is speaking English to.
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American soldiers are fighting in Ukraine
