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Old 06-10-2015, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Fire at Kiev oil depot.


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Old 06-10-2015, 05:55 AM
 
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Things we'd like to see: to leave the place alone so they could perhaps make the best borscht in the world?..;-)...I'd think it is a much better application of human behavior. Just sayin'.
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Old 06-10-2015, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Oh come on that's no excuse! there is not such a big population density in Morocco either!
Russians rely on their army. Russian commander in chief is Putin. He decides to use army or not. Most Russians against unauthorized (without orders and support teams) participating in hostilities. It always leads to heavy casualties.

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and your border guards are de facto working for the Ukies if they hinder people to come to Donbass! think about it.
I think that they carry out an order.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Russia
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"American officials want the world to believe that Ukrainians are locked in a battle for liberation from Putin, that Russian military activity in east Ukraine is part of a plan to recover Ukraine for the benefit of Russia, and that Europe and the United States are offering Ukrainians freedom, democracy, and a shot at life in a "free market." They do not add, as Sommers does, that the Russians who inherited the collapsed Soviet Union also hoped Russia and the United States would become economic partners. They looked to the United States for help with development, but were disappointed. This unfortunate result is consistent with the policy of Carter-era national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, which states that the United States should treat any country that is economically self-sufficient as a military threat. Washington thus supported the anti-Russian Maidan movement in Kiev, Hudson says, in part to undermine and further isolate a Russia that, under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, had recovered both its self-sufficiency, its pride, and—in the US view—its obstinance.

American officials certainly do not admit that Russia's behavior in this conflict is very similar to the United States' in the Cuban Missile Crisis of the Kennedy era, when Washington reacted belligerently to Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev's attempt to put a nuclear missile base in Cuba. With Ukraine on track—via the association agreement signed by President Poroshenko in June—to become a host of NATO forces, and with US officials and Western military leaders frothing at the mouth, Russia is understandably anxious over the possibility that a former adversary will once again become an open enemy. As a result of this struggle, Hudson, Sommers, and Carden caution, Ukraine, Europe, and the rest of the world are becoming less rather than more secure."(с)

Ukraine Is In Crisis. Here
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Germany
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no, Putin doesn't say this. He is concerned about the Russian speaking
population, its language and culture in Ukraine. And that's why Russia
had to intervene and how he justifies it. (or not ?)
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:48 AM
 
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The most comparable situation is Yugoslavia where the US provided military and economic aid to the individual republics in the Yugoslav federation separately. It's codified in the 1991 Foreign Operations Appropriations Act. They were seeking a breakup of Yugoslavia, while in this case, the US seeks to keep Crimean and Eastern Ukraine in the fold after having engineered a coup in Kiev.

Congress was recently debating a similar bill for Iraq.

no, they were seeking for peace and stability, since there was war and killing of refugees.
Now the countries can decide by themselves.
If they could only agree and form a common government instead of fighting each other ...
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Old 06-11-2015, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Germany
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erasure, you lost me.
I don't know what you want to say with German definition, tree,history etc.
you quote me, but I feel that you don't really address the quoted points
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Old 06-11-2015, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Russia
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By the way, can we assume that US occupied Germany (1945), Italy (1943), Japan (1945)? Russia withdrew its occupation troops in 1989. When United States withdraw troops from territory of these states?
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Old 06-11-2015, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Russia
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23 km from Kiev. Oil depot still burning. Foto from air.


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Old 06-11-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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It looks like Greece again. No money from the IMF tranche is going towards paying down debt or reviving the economy.

VIDEO: The West Isn’t Out to Save Ukraine; It’s Out to Profit From a Growing Crisis - Truthdig
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