Covid virus in phoenix (Tempe, Guadalupe: racist, closest, prevent)

[hikernut]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Hundreds are waiting in line for multiple hours. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ix/5370217002/ The mayor of PHX begged FEMA for help. FEMA told her to pound sand because they are no longer in the testing business https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/w...s-updates.html .

Extremely poor management continues, both at the state level and federal level.

I know someone in the U.K. who got tested recently. No appointment, no waiting in line, results back in two days.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I always appreciate your data mining skills. I haven't looked at the COVID growth rate to see what is happening between PHX metro and southern CA. What did you learn after you normalized the population?

While the mutated D614G COVID variant has proved more infectious in the lab and probably resulting in more transmission in spots like Houston (see https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...t-15386157.php), I have not observed any data on what they are finding in AZ. I've looked and have come up empty.

Not at all scientific but I started watching LA county when I saw cases here in Yuma and Pima on the rise.
Since then, LA county is way ahead of all CA counties in cases (they are redoing how they count so it's been off for a few days) with 107k. The number 2 spot (just over 20k) seems to change often but is usually one of the other 10 southern counties.
As Yuma got hit, I noticed Imperial, right across the border, getting hit to the point where a stay at home was issued over a week ago (don't know if it's been lifted yet).

If you look at a map by county (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map), and hover over AZ/CA from east to west or west to east and show just these 8 infected counties: Pima, Maricopa, Yuma, Imperial, SD, Riverside, Orange and LA, we see a stretch of infection that if it were a state, it'd be pretty scary.
I know there's a per capita issue and an enormous overall population difference but I'm just looking at what appears to be a CV pipeline running along this general area.

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Which articles. Realize, the decision has been made. Things are opening. Again, (sorry Ponderosa) more like Sweden.

Sweden's infection rate is now right up there near ours. Hopefully this link works.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

Sweden's infection rate is now right up there near ours. Hopefully this link works.

I've been keeping up on how they are doing. As of 3 weeks ago, about 20% of the country has the antibodies. It could be 30% now?? Here in the States, I cannot imagine we are even at a few percent of exposure. But of course, we don't test for that so no one knows.

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

What are you talking about? California is one of the harder hit states recently, so it seems apparent that this back & forth shuffle (shutting down, opening, and shutting down again) isn't making that much of a difference. If anything, it's making things worse, especially when you consider how devastating it has been on the economic front. Unemployment is up, profits are down, and small businesses are taking the biggest hit. Social distancing, yes. Masks, yes. Stopping and/or restricting commerce? Absolutely not!



The same WHO that proclaimed it's unnecessary for healthy people to wear masks in the pandemic???

Yep, this is one of those things in life you learn. Kinda like it hurts when you hit your finger with a hammer, you learn not to do ir again.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I've been keeping up on how they are doing. As of 3 weeks ago, about 20% of the country has the antibodies. It could be 30% now?? Here in the States, I cannot imagine we are even at a few percent of exposure. But of course, we don't test for that so no one knows.

What is your source for that? The government reports have around 8% for Stockholm which is the highest rate in the country as one might expect. In AZ, serology testing has gradually increased over the last several weeks to 3.5% positive. The economic and human cost of that paltry achievement (here and there) has been enormous and is getting worse.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

What is your source for that? The government reports have around 8% for Stockholm which is the highest rate in the country as one might expect. In AZ, serology testing has gradually increased over the last several weeks to 3.5% positive. The economic and human cost of that paltry achievement (here and there) has been enormous and is getting worse.

Back in May, Anders Tegnell (the state epidemiologist) said "We aren't at seven percent [infection rate in Stockholm] now (mid May). It was seven percent around week 15, so that is quite a long time ago. These people were immune in week 18 [the week ending May 3rd], that means they fell ill at some point in week 14 or 15. We are somewhere around 20 percent plus in Stockholm now (which was mid May)," Tegnell told journalists at the press conference.
read https://www.thelocal.se/20200520/her...-tests-tell-us

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Back in May, Anders Tegnell (the state epidemiologist) said "We aren't at seven percent [infection rate in Stockholm] now (mid May). It was seven percent around week 15, so that is quite a long time ago. These people were immune in week 18 [the week ending May 3rd], that means they fell ill at some point in week 14 or 15. We are somewhere around 20 percent plus in Stockholm now (which was mid May)," Tegnell told journalists at the press conference.
read https://www.thelocal.se/20200520/her...-tests-tell-us

He subsequently admitted he was wrong as was the whole concept. I haven't seen anything recent and am pretty sure he would be bragging about it had it been successful. In reality, Sweden has one of the world's worst death rates (about the same as Italy which has a much older population) AND their economy is in the dumper. Much of Europe handled it much better at least at this point. Of course, no nation botched the response like the US did. We are exceptional.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

He subsequently admitted he was wrong as was the whole concept. I haven't seen anything recent and am pretty sure he would be bragging about it had it been successful. In reality, Sweden has one of the world's worst death rates (about the same as Italy which has a much older population) AND their economy is in the dumper. Much of Europe handled it much better at least at this point. Of course, no nation botched the response like the US did. We are exceptional.

I didn't hear that he admitted that he botched it. I'm not doubting that things are not looking good, but rather that he would admit it. In fact, do you think this sound like someone that we know in our country?

"But Tegnell objected to Kluge's warning (of a massive increase in cases), saying that WHO officials were misinterpreting Sweden's epidemiological data. In Tegnell's view, the rise in new cases is due to a recent bump in testing. He added that Sweden is seeing a relatively low number of admissions to intensive care units, along with a decline in COVID-19 deaths." from https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-total-mistake

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I didn't hear that he admitted that he botched it. I'm not doubting that things are not looking good, but rather that he would admit it. In fact, do you think this sound like someone that we know in our country?

"But Tegnell objected to Kluge's warning (of a massive increase in cases), saying that WHO officials were misinterpreting Sweden's epidemiological data. In Tegnell's view, the rise in new cases is due to a recent bump in testing. He added that Sweden is seeing a relatively low number of admissions to intensive care units, along with a decline in COVID-19 deaths." from https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-total-mistake

COVID killed the low hanging fruit (old people in congregate settings). Death rates are down everywhere. I hope they stay that way, but it depends on the millions of vulnerable who survived the spring to keep protecting themselves. Looking around, I see a lot of fat old people running around, many without masks, going to restaurants, etc. It may just be a matter of time until this mid-hanging fruit is plucked.

I saw today that the modal age of the cases being found in Florida is 21! AZ doesn't give very detailed numbers, but from what I am hearing from the "inside" the age of the patients now is much younger. They get large amounts of oxygen for a few days and then go home, rather miserable but alive.