Photo Radar Advice (Scottsdale: real estate market, rentals, taxi)

[jgunn72]

Man, how many times are you people going to spout the fallacy that speed cameras reduce injuries and accidents. Sorry, there is just as much evidence that cameras INCREASE accidents as reduce them. Corrupt politicians and private companies lying about the stats don't count. Why the heck can't I be against cameras because multiple studies have shown they INCREASE accidents and injuries.

A pair of photo radar vans have been mailing automated citations to vehicle owners in Pinal County, Arizona since August 8, 2007. In just four months, 4500 citations were issued generating significant revenue, especially on the Hunt Highway. In December, a Sheriff's office press release made the astonishing claim that accidents had fallen on this heavily traveled two-lane route by 53 percent as a result of the enforcement effort.

"It's very effective," Pinal County Sheriff's Office Corporal Paul Compton said at the time. "It's slowing people down and ultimately saving lives."

The East Valley Tribune newspaper reported that this claim turned out to be false. Instead of being down 53 percent, accidents increased 16 percent during the period speed cameras were used, as compared to the same period in 2006 without cameras. The Sheriff's office had issued its statement based on preliminary data that failed to account for 55 crashes that were not immediately entered into the accident database.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by dc1225

yeah i don't understand who's idea was this? the governor? well come election time, I hope people will remember....I just love the fact that something like this can be done w/o ever being voted on by...well essentially, I guess majority did agree! But I am sure this is a "democrat" thing since most democratic cities seems to have these "cameras"...

Yes, it was Napolitano who approved this, and a lot of it had to do with the fact that the state is facing one of the largest deficits in history ... so this was a shrewd way of making a fast buck. Janet's term as Governor will be over in 2010, which can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned! She has been lax on important matters like illegal immigration ... but at the same time, she's all in favor of this new robotic police force without any vote from the public!

Originally Posted by Greatday

No - it was debated at the legislature - and there was a lot of public input - pro and con.

The Legislature passed a bill giving the authority for the cameras.

It would be impossible to put every little thing on the ballot for the public to vote on - That is why we have a representative form of government

Yeah, it's impossible to put REAL issues on the ballot that affect all of us in some way (such as photo radar) ... but it's always the case that we get to vote on ridiculous personal/private issues like Prop 102, which is really none of anybody's business. Or Prop. 105, which if passed, will silence the voting majority. However, photo radar can't be voted on by the public because it's a cash cow for the state bureaucrats!

Originally Posted by Bummer

For all of you "Anti-Camera Drivers" . . . I sincerely hope you are never subjected to a major personal injury or worse accident caused by a "first person singular" speeding or red light running driver.

MY TWO CENTS WORTH

For you pro camera, big government police state advocates: I hope you are never subjected to a major accident caused by people distracted by a flash, or by those paying more attention to their speedometers trying to avoid a mail citation than the road they're driving on. Perhaps if & when you receive a speeding ticket by a malfunctioning camera, and have to take time to fight it in the legal system, your opinions will change.

That will be YOUR $185 worth!
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[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

For you pro camera, big government police state advocates: I hope you are never subjected to a major accident caused by people distracted by a flash,

I was riding my bike on 51 the other night, northbound and was very startled when I saw the flashes in two spots on the southbound lanes.

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I was riding my bike on 51 the other night, northbound and was very startled when I saw the flashes in two spots on the southbound lanes.

Saturday night around 9:30-10pm?
If so, I was there going Southbound and it freaked the crap out of me. I felt like a famous movie star surrounded by crazy paparazzis!!

[ranman469]

what is the trigger speed ?? getting some different info. i read that mesa has a 5mph over trigger

[ranman469]

bump

slow day??

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by ranman469

what is the trigger speed ?? getting some different info. i read that mesa has a 5mph over trigger

Well, the new ones being set up will be set to flash at 10mph over or more, so if you are going 9 miles over you are OK but how accurate is your speedometer?

You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

lol...jk!

[ranman469]

thanks for the tip.
the ones in mesa that trigger at 5mph are in school zones. i found that on a mesa web site

[TurcoLoco]

Originally Posted by ranman469

thanks for the tip.
the ones in mesa that trigger at 5mph are in school zones. i found that on a mesa web site

I usually go about 5-10 miles over the posted speed limit pretty much everytime EXCEPT the school zones. At school zone I do NOT exceed the posted speed limit even 1 mph.

[shiphead]

Originally Posted by ranman469

thanks for the tip.
the ones in mesa that trigger at 5mph are in school zones. i found that on a mesa web site

are you serious? haha thats crazy.