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Old 09-03-2022, 09:56 PM
 
Location: az
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You are missing my point, there is no "state R"

Alaska is a coalition State, Murkoski (sp) the current senator, was not even the nominee of her party 2 cycles ago. An independent won the governorship with a Democratic LG 2 cycles ago. The current state House majority is a coalition of 15 Dems, 2 Republicans and 4 independents.


its far more informative and accurate to say Alaska is split between, Liberals, moderates and Conservatives, than to ever claim it is just split between Dems and Republicans.
Spin it anyway you like but I'll go with 538:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/64080687-post356.html

 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Spin it anyway you like but I'll go with 538:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/64080687-post356.html
You literally ignored the other part of the article which mentioned in the head to head Democrats still over performed the partisan lean of the state. With that said, the dynamics of Alaska, combined with Palin being such a bad candidate does make it difficult to draw conclusions based off that one Special Election. However, combine that with the other Special Elections since Dobbs and Democrats have clearly been outperforming Republicans considering the political dynamics of these districts.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:33 PM
 
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Don't worry. By the time pro-choice women are done, it will be codified at the state AND federal level as well as guaranteed by a constitutional amendment.

We won't be fooled again.
I don't. If your side could get a constitutional amendment they didn't need to make new law from the bench and passed it by now. You ignored the fact that there are millions of women pro life. They also have a voice.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:36 PM
 
Location: az
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You literally ignored the other part of the article which mentioned in the head to head Democrats still over performed the partisan lean of the state. With that said, the dynamics of Alaska, combined with Palin being such a bad candidate does make it difficult to draw conclusions based off that one Special Election. However, combine that with the other Special Elections since Dobbs and Democrats have clearly been outperforming Republicans considering the political dynamics of these districts.
Bottom line: Sixty percent of voters selected a Republican (either Palin or Begich) as their preferred candidate, while only 40 percent selected a Democrat (Peltola), perhaps a better gauge of their actual partisan preferences. In fact, by that metric, the Alaska special election was actually an overperformance for Republicans. Their 20-point combined margin over Peltola was 5 points better than the state’s R+15 partisan lean.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:49 PM
 
Location: az
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I don't. If your side could get a constitutional amendment they didn't need to make new law from the bench and passed it by now. You ignored the fact that there are millions of women pro life. They also have a voice.
Quite true. Let the voting begin.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 11:24 PM
 
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I don't. If your side could get a constitutional amendment they didn't need to make new law from the bench and passed it by now. You ignored the fact that there are millions of women pro life. They also have a voice.
So called pro-life women who are anything but, are outnumbered by pro-choice women and you have forgotten the millions of men who love, support us and will vote with us.

We may not be able to get a constitutional amendment today, but now that we know we need it, we will not stop until we have it. We aren't going anywhere. Nor are our daughters and granddaughters.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 11:33 PM
 
Location: az
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So called pro-life women who are anything but, are outnumbered by pro-choice women and you have forgotten the millions of men who love, support us and will vote with us.

We may not be able to get a constitutional amendment today, but now that we know we need it, we will not stop until we have it. We aren't going anywhere. Nor are our daughters and granddaughters.
The same goes for men who love and support women who are pro-life.

A more interesting question is percentage of men/women for whom abortion rights isn't an overriding issue. Voters with more pressing concerns.

I'm sure we'll have a better idea after Nov.
 
Old 09-04-2022, 12:12 AM
 
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You literally ignored the other part of the article which mentioned in the head to head Democrats still over performed the partisan lean of the state. With that said, the dynamics of Alaska, combined with Palin being such a bad candidate does make it difficult to draw conclusions based off that one Special Election. However, combine that with the other Special Elections since Dobbs and Democrats have clearly been outperforming Republicans considering the political dynamics of these districts.
Out performing? Republicans are outperforming Democrats in every primary. I know Democrats and media have to spin to try to save face but they don't have to lie. Numbers don't lie.

Alaska special election: Republicans 112, 783 votes 75,799 Democrats
Alaska Senate primary: Republicans 163,263 votes 12,989 Democrats.

Arizona
Governors primary: Republicans 831,508 votes Democrats 596,027 votes
Senate primary: Republicans 813,068 votes Democrats 589,400 votes

PA
Senate primary: Republicans 1,346,091 Democrats 1,284,908votes
Governor: Republicans 1,322,932votes Democrats 1,226,614 votes
LT. Governor Republicans 1,322,932 votes Democrats 1,219,946votes

Ohio

Senate primary: Republicans 1,069,826 votes Democrats 517,908 votes
Governor primary: Republicans 1,069,826 votes Democrats 509,146 votes


Wisconsin
Governor Primary Republicans 692,647 votes Democrats 256,813 votes
LT Governor Primary: Republicans 593,394 votes Democrats 462,555 votes
Senate Primary: Republicans 672,975 votes Democrats 501,089 votes

Michigan:
Governor: Primary: Republicans 1,074,198 votes Democrats: 937,580 votes


Georgia:
Senate Primary: Republicans 1,178,625 votes Democrats: 731,594 votes
Governor primary Republicans 1,204,742 votes Democrats 727,168 votes


Nevada
Senate Primary: Republicans 228,488 votes Democrats 175,244 votes
Governors Primary: Republicans 202,087 votesDemocrats 146,754 votes
 
Old 09-04-2022, 12:26 AM
 
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The same goes for men who love and support women who are pro-life.

A more interesting question is percentage of men/women for whom abortion rights isn't an overriding issue. Voters with more pressing concerns.

I'm sure we'll have a better idea after Nov.
Sure, but you are still outnumbered.

And, while the most pressing issue of most elections is the economy stupid, nothing is more central to a woman's/family's economy than children. Few things more expensive than raising a child. Women understand this.

The inability to control one's reproductive life is the inability to control one's economic status.

The inability to control one's economic status results in second class citizenship. The majority of women will never accept this either for themselves, their descendants, or other women.

Lots of men in for a rude awakening imo.
 
Old 09-04-2022, 12:34 AM
 
Location: az
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Sure, but you are still outnumbered.

And, while the most pressing issue of most elections is the economy stupid, nothing is more central to a woman's/family's economy than children. Few things more expensive than raising a child. Women understand this.

The inability to control one's reproductive life is the inability to control one's economic status.

The inability to control one's economic status results in second class citizenship. The majority of women will never accept this either for themselves, their descendants, or other women.

Lots of men in for a rude awakening imo.
Time will tell.
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