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The first article is telling. S-400s can track, target and shoot down Israeli warplanes taking off from Ben Gurien airport. Russia added another regiment just last week if I remember right, it's not going to be stationed in Tartus either. By now if the Russians want they can attach a super sonic missile to anything flying the length and breadth of Israels entire airspace.
Recently there has been no incursions by Israeli aircraft into Syrian airspace. Months ago an F-35 launched some missiles at some crates at the Damascus airport, it was a big deal . Why? Because the Syrians detected it, with 1970s era radar equipment. They also let loose some missiles but it's unconfirmed whether or not it hit the aircraft. Point is, they detected the aircraft and fired on it.
What's even stranger is the aircraft was taken out of service a few days later, FOR MAINTENANCE. Or so the IAF said. Hmmmm. In the Arabs Israeli conflicts those old SA-6s took down dozens of Israeli aircraft. If anyone feels froggy now I'd like to see what will happen.
I don't see anyone trying to play games now. We'll see.
What these explanations? ))) Here the logic is simpler. That's not S400 shot down Israeli and American planes,then we can not. All the rest does not count ))))
Uh huh, sure they did. They tracked that mysterious F-35 and would have shot it down if they wanted to. Just happens to be that IAF operates against Russian allies but only due to the benevolence of Russians. (Much like the Kurds in Afrin are now realizing how their Russian protection is working out).
Here's IAF's losses of F-15 and F-16's to anyone: 0.
Here's the score in the Syrian 1982 war: 82-0 including all those SAM's setup to stop them.
Here's the score when Russia sent Mig's against the IAF in 1970: 5-0
Yes those Arab Israeli conflicts really showed Russian tech was boss, lol. In fact Syria and Egypt shot down more of their own migs than IAF aircraft. Bravo!
In fact, the Kurds (those which the Turks beat) is an American project. These guys were trained and equipped with the support of the Americans..
Uh huh, sure they did. They tracked that mysterious F-35 and would have shot it down if they wanted to. Just happens to be that IAF operates against Russian allies but only due to the benevolence of Russians. (Much like the Kurds in Afrin are now realizing how their Russian protection is working out).
Here's IAF's losses of F-15 and F-16's to anyone: 0.
Here's the score in the Syrian 1982 war: 82-0 including all those SAM's setup to stop them.
Here's the score when Russia sent Mig's against the IAF in 1970: 5-0
Yes those Arab Israeli conflicts really showed Russian tech was boss, lol. In fact Syria and Egypt shot down more of their own migs than IAF aircraft. Bravo!
Links?
What went on in the Bekaa valley is still classified by the Israeli government as far as I know. Israel is not considered the best source in information when it comes to losses. In fact no one is. I'm sure Israel won that one though.
The F-35 was not shot down. Missiles were fired at it when it was detected but no one knows if the plane was hit. It is know that 3 days after the attack the plane was sent away for maintenance. Go figure. I'll bet one of the missiles got a piece of it. The key is though THE AIRCRAFT WAS DETECTED. It was some very old tech that found it too.
Lets see how Israel behaves now shall we? Time will tell.
DKM. Lets keep things on topic after this but you're correct that the Syrians got their butts handed to them in 1982. The way they fought the battle ensured it, they deserved nothing less. Putting radars in valleys instead of on hilltops so you don't have to dig latrines? Please!!!
Uh huh, sure they did. They tracked that mysterious F-35 and would have shot it down if they wanted to. Just happens to be that IAF operates against Russian allies but only due to the benevolence of Russians. (Much like the Kurds in Afrin are now realizing how their Russian protection is working out).
Here's IAF's losses of F-15 and F-16's to anyone: 0.
Here's the score in the Syrian 1982 war: 82-0 including all those SAM's setup to stop them.
Here's the score when Russia sent Mig's against the IAF in 1970: 5-0
Yes those Arab Israeli conflicts really showed Russian tech was boss, lol. In fact Syria and Egypt shot down more of their own migs than IAF aircraft. Bravo!
The Kurds are in no way, nor ever been, under Russian protection. The Kurds have been backed by the US in both material and non-material support.
The 1970 events were between Israel and the USSR, not Russia, hell, the commander of the USSR forces for the conflict was Ukrainian if you want to start assigning ethnicities to the event. You also left out the two Israeli aircraft downed by Soviet forces as a response.
The Kurds are in no way, nor ever been, under Russian protection. The Kurds have been backed by the US in both material and non-material support.
The 1970 events were between Israel and the USSR, not Russia, hell, the commander of the USSR forces for the conflict was Ukrainian if you want to start assigning ethnicities to the event. You also left out the two Israeli aircraft downed by Soviet forces as a response.
Well get acquainted with reality: the Kurds in NW Aleppo including in Afrin cooperated with the Syrian govt and Russian forces during the operation to lift the siege on Nubl as well as Aleppo itself. Then the Kurds backed by RUssia moved east towards Azaz, taking Minakh and Tal Rifat along the way. This started the Turkish advance into Azaz to defend it and they negotiated a deal to stop, and this included Russia which posted troops in Afrin and a base in Kafr Jana which they occupied up until last week. The Kurds backed by the US are to the east of Manbij and helped kick ISIS out of most of Syria. 2 seperate areas. American backed Kurds as part of the SDF, are not under attack by Turkey. Afrin Kurds, who were under Russian protection are now on their own. They are learning the same lesson Egypt did in 1973 which is why they switched sides to the USA. That all kind of ties into this nicely.
There is no different "ethnicity", Ukrainian and Russian are the same people ethnically.
The only reason the Syrian war is relevant here is that it parallels the Ukrainian war. Same thing Russia is doing, sending troops in, attacking locals, lying about where they are and when they get killed, etc etc.
Well get acquainted with reality: the Kurds in NW Aleppo including in Afrin cooperated with the Syrian govt and Russian forces during the operation to lift the siege on Nubl as well as Aleppo itself. Then the Kurds backed by RUssia moved east towards Azaz, taking Minakh and Tal Rifat along the way. This started the Turkish advance into Azaz to defend it and they negotiated a deal to stop, and this included Russia which posted troops in Afrin and a base in Kafr Jana which they occupied up until last week. The Kurds backed by the US are to the east of Manbij and helped kick ISIS out of most of Syria. 2 seperate areas. American backed Kurds as part of the SDF, are not under attack by Turkey. Afrin Kurds, who were under Russian protection are now on their own. They are learning the same lesson Egypt did in 1973 which is why they switched sides to the USA. That all kind of ties into this nicely.
Cooperation is not "backing" as you stated. Russia does not back to Kurds, they do not provide material and non-material support to the Kurds, nor are there Russian troops embedded with the Kurds. The US on the other hand have 2000 troops in Syria, provide material and non-material support to them, all the while not having permission from the Syrian government.
Russia is "backing" the Syrian government. They provide material and non-material support to the government. The Kurds have taken advantage of Russia's involvement (and with Russia's blessing) by taking territory by filling in a vacuum left by the defeat of ISIS and insurgents. If you want to call that backing, then ok, I will agree with you, but it is disingenuous to talk about this backing as the same scale the US is backing the Kurds (among other groups in the area). Will not even get into the blessing the US gives to Saudi Arabia for supplying things like TOWs to insurgent groups.
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There is no different "ethnicity", Ukrainian and Russian are the same people ethnically.
They are two different ethnic groups, or to be more specific, sub groups under the general "east slavic" ethnicity.
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The only reason the Syrian war is relevant here is that it parallels the Ukrainian war. Same thing Russia is doing, sending troops in, attacking locals, lying about where they are and when they get killed, etc etc.
The only parallel is that it is war. The sending troops in, attacking locals, lying about where they are, etc, is the same thing any other country does including the US, in which the US has been lying from day 1 about its operations in Syria, and now is even being forced to admit its mission there is more than about ISIS.
There was a Russian base in Jandaris since March of 2017, until last week when Turkey said they are going to invade so they asked Russia to leave (that's why they met Gerisimov last week today). They called themselves observers, but nontheless, they are gone now. You can call it what you want, I'm just throwing out inconvenient facts. Russia can and has only been able to protect any of its allies from non-state actors even in the Yugoslav wars, with the exception of Ossetia and Donetsk.
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