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China will develop their own engines soon enough. Russian, Ukrainian based, it won't matter. But they seem to be having trouble getting it quite right.
Motor sich is definitely on the edge and it has been for quite a while. They have work, but it does not involve selling china engines. Its mostly about rebuilding the engines in service (which apparently is a lot of work, especially with helicopters around the world).
There is nothing inherently bad about it going back to being a state run enterprise, like its sister facility, Ivchenko Progress. I can't see Russia being mad about China not getting access to these engines. They are probably not thrilled about both companies involvement with Turkish drone engines, but like China, Turkey will develop their own eventually anyway.
It's tragic how much you base your Russian dreams on wishful thinking. Last year you guys were on here claiming Motor Sich is dead with no production. Now you are claiming they were making engines for China. Go ahead, refute my post with facts. You can't, all you can do is attack me because I don't live in Russian propaganda world. Russian propaganda has settled on the idea that Ukraine must be externally controlled since it clearly desires a Western orientation. We can't have Russians thinking that's what Ukrainians actually want can we.
SCMP is owned by the biggest Pro China organization in the world.
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Despite the obstacles in the development of the WS-15, Chinese military aviation expert Andreas Rupprecht told Flight Global that the use of the domestic WS-10C in the aircraft is a " major breakthrough†because it will reduce China's dependence on Russian engines.
The Chinese want to have their own engine, which is perfectly normal.
China has not purchased any "turbines" from Motor Sich. They want the technology because they had to ditch the inferior Russian junk they were trying to use in their "stealth" J-20 fighter. So they were buying the company from an oligarch to steal the technology. Ukraine is nationalizing the company to prevent it's valuable technology from falling into Chinese hands. Japan is showing its appreciation with new defense agreements and more new police vehicles to be delivered this year.
Don't deceive the public. Since 2014, there have been no oligarchs in Ukraine. You beat them all on the Maidan..Seven years have already passed . Or have you screwed up again in the full sense of the word ?
China will develop their own engines soon enough. Russian, Ukrainian based, it won't matter. But they seem to be having trouble getting it quite right.
Motor sich is definitely on the edge and it has been for quite a while. They have work, but it does not involve selling china engines. Its mostly about rebuilding the engines in service (which apparently is a lot of work, especially with helicopters around the world).
There is nothing inherently bad about it going back to being a state run enterprise, like its sister facility, Ivchenko Progress. I can't see Russia being mad about China not getting access to these engines. They are probably not thrilled about both companies involvement with Turkish drone engines, but like China, Turkey will develop their own eventually anyway.
Of course they will.In less than half a century, they will definitely develop it. No one doubts it. But they will still buy Russian first-class engines. But there are no more Ukrainian engines and there won't be any more. It's sad to be a colony.Isn't that right DKM ?
Of course they will.In less than half a century, they will definitely develop it. No one doubts it. But they will still buy Russian first-class engines. But there are no more Ukrainian engines and there won't be any more. It's sad to be a colony.Isn't that right DKM ?
There are new engines being made in Ukraine for Ukrainian and Turkish built aircraft right now as I type this. Just not to China. A Chinese colony is Russia's goal, not Ukraine's. Is Ukraine going to be a major aircraft engine maker in the future? Probably not. Do they need to be? I think there are bigger fish to fry.
Don't deceive the public. Since 2014, there have been no oligarchs in Ukraine. You beat them all on the Maidan..Seven years have already passed . Or have you screwed up again in the full sense of the word ?
You're clearly not paying attention. One of the oligarchs was elected after the Maidan so, no. There are good and bad oligarchs, the ones who act normally are not the problem. If they reinvest in their plants and people and pay their taxes like Pinchuk, and Akhmetov, I personally don't see the problem. The ones who only make money Russian style (corrupt connections) are the problem. Once again the USA was not involved, so there is no "You" in your sentence that applies.
It's not something to be proud of. It's more to feed the beast, the US military-industrial complex. Meanwhile, US debt will reach 140% of GDP this year, well beyond when Yugoslavia, the Soviet Union, and Greece were forced into the austerity programs.
There are still areas rich in natural resources. Unfortunately, as the Exxon CEO recently stated, it resides in countries that are undergoing violent upheaval, making it difficult to get at. The fake War on Terror and the use of terrorism to disrupt the Belt and Road projects in the 2010's has exacerbated the problem. One of the stated goals of US policy is to make it difficult for a rising competitor to access natural resources.
Then there's investors which as you stated is a big part of the Ukraine mess. It's getting harder to open new markets in different places profitably so violence is used to displace one group and take over what they have then make it yours.
You're clearly not paying attention. One of the oligarchs was elected after the Maidan so, no. There are good and bad oligarchs, the ones who act normally are not the problem. If they reinvest in their plants and people and pay their taxes like Pinchuk, and Akhmetov, I personally don't see the problem. The ones who only make money Russian style (corrupt connections) are the problem. Once again the USA was not involved, so there is no "You" in your sentence that applies.
Priceless.
Yes indeed there are "good oligarchs" of Zlochevsky kind that invite Biden Juniors and Kwasnevskys of Poland on their companies' directors boards, and then there are bad ones that hook up with Russian oligarchs.
That was precisely Putin's logic, when he came to power back in..1999(?), that there were "good and bad oligarchs" in Russia - the ones serving his interests and American/Western interests.
He got rid of the latter ones, while keeping the "good ones" - the ones that were "acting normally and were not the problem."
After all they were "reinvesting in their plants" and stuff.
The stink about the "oligarchic kleptocracy" of Russia is up to heaven until this day in Western media, but "oligarchic kleptocracy" of Ukraine is not a problem - oh no.
It's all about the "young state striving for democracy," and only "bad oligarchs" are problematic.
The corporate democrats of America are so funny, and so are you DKM))))
P.S. BTW Turist was sarcastic saying that " there has been no oligarchy in Ukraine since 2014," but it has been lost on you.
Of course Russians are well aware that after the barrage of accusations in "corruption" hurled at Yanukovitch, the coup d'etat of 2014 threw Ukraine into the bottomless pit of oligarchic kleptocracy.
Starting with the newly-appointed oligarch Poroshenko as the head of the state, that apparently Mrs. Nuland found personally fit for a job.
There are new engines being made in Ukraine for Ukrainian and Turkish built aircraft right now as I type this. Just not to China. A Chinese colony is Russia's goal, not Ukraine's. Is Ukraine going to be a major aircraft engine maker in the future? Probably not. Do they need to be? I think there are bigger fish to fry.
Honestly honestly? Are they producing exactly? Or it's the same as always. We will someday produce,but there is no project,no documentation,no money, but there is a "memorandum of intent".
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