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NOLA you can stop right there, because it's precisely this attitude that led to today's situation.
It's precisely the attitude of Ukrainian nationalists who felt they had the right to kill anyone that were not "Ukrainian" enough on "every inch of Ukrainian soil."
Wrong. It is precisely the attitude of every country on earth. You are just an apologist for Putin, and think that global norms do not apply to Russia.
If there were Ukrainian soldiers or Ukranian proxies in Russia, then they would be either captured or shot and killed by Russian soldiers, and everyone would agree that is the correct solution. Russia has every right to defend its borders from military invaders. No foreign military has any right to enter Russia.
Similarly, Ukraine has the right to kill Russian soldiers and their proxies in Ukraine. In fact they have the obligation to do so. If they do nothing then there will be no more Ukraine, and Putin will continue to the Baltics and eventually to the heart of Europe.
As the world learned under Hitler and Stalin, one cannot appease or negotiate with dictators with no interest in global norms. Similarly, Putin has no interest in any sort of negotiation, and can only be reasoned with through force. Hopefully he will be overthrown before he causes Russia to disintegrate due to his foreign adventures.
Ukraine has every right to enforce the law on every inch of Ukranian soil. They can travel anywhere in Ukraine, and kill anyone in Ukraine if they are trying to take Ukrainian land.
And you don't give a damn about peace treaties; Russia promised to never challenge Ukrainian boundaries in exchange for 1,200 nuclear weapons in Ukraine's posession following the end of the Cold War, yet now Russian forces illegally occupy Crimea and are currently controlling parts of Eastern Ukraine. Of course Russia now also controls the nuclear weapons that Ukraine foolishly gave up in exchange for supposed "peace". It shows that negotiations with Putin are useless.
Obviously any Russian soldier or Russian proxy in Crimea or the Donbass can be legally shot on site, as they are invaders. It's no different than if there were Ukrainian tanks in Moscow. Russia would have every right to kill the invaders. Russia respects no treaty. They didn't respect the original treaty, they didn't respect the ceasefire, and they won't respect this ceasefire. It is just an excuse to delay a Western military response, which is inevitable.
As long as there is even one Russian in Crimea or the Donbass, they will be targets, and for good reason. This will not end until Russia leaves (probably not until Putin is overthrown).
Regime change is only permissible by the USA in other nations in the name of fighting terrorism and or
on the pretence of protecting the suffering population of that nation from abuse from its leaders. The US government was ready to bomb the government of Syria because it was supposedly using chemical weapons on its citizens in an effort to kill rebels trying to take Sryian land. I didn't know torture was a global norm but apparently the US government finds it acceptable in Guantanomo Bay Cuba.
"Gorlovka was aircraft bombed of 500 kg bombs" - the cheap propagation for silly stupid Russians - the Ukrainian combat aviation already half a year does not rise in air, complying with conditions of an armistice. But it is not pleasant to the Russian propagandists, compelled to invent a parallel reality by bombardment of the occupied cities. In fact it is easier, than to explain this:
Way of Russian Nazi.
or this
Fresh Memorial in Russia in the inner territory of military base.
Wrong. It is precisely the attitude of every country on earth. You are just an apologist for Putin, and think that global norms do not apply to Russia.
If there were Ukrainian soldiers or Ukranian proxies in Russia, then they would be either captured or shot and killed by Russian soldiers, and everyone would agree that is the correct solution. Russia has every right to defend its borders from military invaders. No foreign military has any right to enter Russia.
Similarly, Ukraine has the right to kill Russian soldiers and their proxies in Ukraine. In fact they have the obligation to do so. If they do nothing then there will be no more Ukraine, and Putin will continue to the Baltics and eventually to the heart of Europe.
As the world learned under Hitler and Stalin, one cannot appease or negotiate with dictators with no interest in global norms. Similarly, Putin has no interest in any sort of negotiation, and can only be reasoned with through force. Hopefully he will be overthrown before he causes Russia to disintegrate due to his foreign adventures.
Sorry I can't share your rabid hatred; besides, going on and on about "Putin," you've never made an adequate comment on this and that's precisely what explains the best why today's bombing of civilians and infrastructure by Kiev's government is downright criminal.
"Gorlovka was aircraft bombed of 500 kg bombs" - the cheap propagation for silly stupid Russians - the Ukrainian combat aviation already half a year does not rise in air, complying with conditions of an armistice. But it is not pleasant to the Russian propagandists, compelled to invent a parallel reality by bombardment of the occupied cities. In fact it is easier, than to explain this:
Way of Russian Nazi.
or this
Fresh Memorial in Russia in the inner territory of military base.
Wadym, I remember how the Ukrainian media was vehemently denying the air raids of Lugans, until the OSCE quietly proved it.
I don't believe a single word of Ukrainian propaganda; if the inhabitants of the cities/villages in Eastern Ukraine are witnessing that they've been bombed from airplanes, that's whom I am going to believe first of all, no matter what official Ukrainian sources are telling.
And you can post all the pictures of the world "proving" whatever you like, I see now how mad dogs are bombing people and civilian infrastructure first moments after "peace negotiations," still hoping to "turn the tide" in their favor.
It looks like it's setting up for another situation like Crimea where the rebel-held territories will have to formally secede.
Quote:
The agreement signed Thursday also states that "decentralization" must be a "key element" in the reform of Ukraine's constitution. Russian President Vladimir Putin focused on this point, telling reporters Thursday that the agreement calls for constitutional reforms that take into account what he called the "legitimate rights” of the people living in Donetsk and Luhansk.
In an apparent response to the Russian leader, Poroshenko stressed later Thursday that the Ukrainian side had not agreed to grant the rebel-held areas in eastern Ukraine "autonomy," nor had it backed away from opposing the country's "federalization" — something Moscow has repeatedly called for.
Wadym, here is the thing; I don't watch Russian TV, I simply don't have it.
The only time I see it, is when I come across their reporting on Youtube.
I see Ukrainian TV reporting on Youtube as well; it's very unconvincing, and sometimes it downright proves the rebels point, how much Kiev ( and its reps) are hated in Eastern Ukraine. I mean I posted few videos here earlier made by Ukrainian TV, where the locals are cursing them and even attack them.
Another good source of information for me is Anatoli Sharii. You know who he is, don't you?
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