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Better yet : don't you dare ask what Ukrainians think about Ukraine! It's up to western europeans to decide...lmao I can't even type this with a straight face (Scrat is also an American I think...).
Yes. Raised in the Rocky Mountains of Montana no less.
Putin don't want the Ukraine, NATO and USA pointing nukes at the heart of Russia. Fair enough. If the USA doesn't bring Ukraine into NATO, the problem is solved.
Did the USA like it when Russia put missiles in Cuba? NO!!!
The current crisis has everything to do with Russia and Putin's "near abroad" policy. He and many Russian believe that the former USSR countries should remain under Russian influence, whether they like it or not. Have noticed how pretty every former country formerly part of the Varsaw Pact has been very interested in joining the EU and/or NATO? They know what's cooking behind the Kremlin's walls. They certainly do not want to repeat the half century of harsh repression and poverty they went through when under Russian rule. Ukraine knows that joining the EU and NATO is the only way to guarantee its future as an independent state. The US might very be no angels, but I'd go with them over Russia any day of the week, and I'm sure you would too.
It has been long known that Putin would never leave Ukraine alone. The loss of Ukraine is perceived in Russia as a national tragedy. Putin intend to take Ukraine by force and not just Russophone areas.
When Strelkov was in Ukraine organizing the militia back in 2014, he too said to Kremlin that "Americans will not leave Ukraine alone as you'd hope, after they invested so much money in the change of government."
( Kremlin was apparently hoping that US will lose the interest to this "anti-Russia project" fairly fast.)
The current crisis has everything to do with Russia and Putin's "near abroad" policy. He and many Russian believe that the former USSR countries should remain under Russian influence, whether they like it or not. Have noticed how pretty every former country formerly part of the Varsaw Pact has been very interested in joining the EU and/or NATO?
You are obviously confused here.
"Near abroad" is not used in referral to the former Warsaw pact countries.
Only for the former Soviet republics.
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They know what's cooking behind the Kremlin's walls.
No they don't.
They just like to whip up a hysteria, since many of them are dependent on Russian gas ( and other economic ties,) and they want *the West* to fix this situation somehow. (As in "how is it we remain dependent on the "ultimate evil" out there - that's totally unjust.")
In THEIR mind, being dependent on Russia economically, equals "being threatened by Russia militarily."
Or so they pretend.
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They certainly do not want to repeat the half century of harsh repression and poverty they went through when under Russian rule.
Oh that part I understand, but as far as "poverty" goes - they are still inferior to the Western Europeans in this respect, because they were ALWAYS poorer than Western Europe.
The rich Russians however are filthy rich while living in Western Europe, now that all the *dependents* of the Warsaw pact are gone, alone with the poor Asian republics.
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Ukraine knows that joining the EU and NATO is the only way to guarantee its future as an independent state.
You mean as American colony?
But America can't provide them even with the adequate supplies of gas.
Ukrainians can't afford even to heat their homes now, and their food is more expensive in Kiev than in Moscow, with lower salaries - do you know all that?
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The US might very be no angels, but I'd go with them over Russia any day of the week, and I'm sure you would too.
Not if I were Ukraine, when there is no one around to provide the country with the adequate economy.
That's unfortunate, I know, but that's how it was meant to be - these two ( Russia and Ukraine) are going either to sink together or to get out of the rot.
One was born from the other, so they are both destined to live or to die together. And any attempt to break them apart ends up in disaster of international proportions.
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Oh come, where did all the European users go? Do they no longer exist?
All we got so far are the usual suspects (Scrat, erasure, and euro123). I want to hear from some western Europeans. Let the French, German, or Nordic people explain. The EU supports a free democratic Ukraine, just tell me what these red/black stuff are. Pretty please?
Nobody wants a war, and a Russian invasion of Ukraine could see a lot of body bags going back to Moscow, as Ukraine is not a small country and has a regular army of 215,000 and a further 250,000 in the Army reserve.
These troops have been supplied with western weapons over the last decade, and have lots of anti-tank missiles and anti aircraft missiles, and they are already dug in.
Whilst even if Russia were to occupy the country, there will be a resistance movement which could mean a never ending supply of body bags going back to Moscow.
At the same time NATO would see new members join such as Sweden and Finland, and a lot more NATO troops would be based on the Russian border, and NATO would be re-united and more concentrated in relation to increasing spending.
The Russian economy, which is already suffering, would be reduced further and would find it impossible to trade or supply the west, resulting in Russia becoming ever poorer.
The video below spells out why it would be a bad decision to invade Ukraine and that it would work out in Americas favour.
The decision is Putin's and all any one can do is to point out the massive pitfalls involved in such action, and it has been suggested that Russia is walking head long in to a trap.
Nobody wants a war, and a Russian invasion of Ukraine could see a lot of body bags going back to Moscow, as Ukraine is not a small country and has a regular army of 215,000 and a further 250,000 in the Army reserve.
These troops have been supplied with western weapons over the last decade, and have lots of anti-tank missiles and anti aircraft missiles, and they are already dug in.
Whilst even if Russia were to occupy the country, there will be a resistance movement which could mean a never ending supply of body bags going back to Moscow.
Up to here you are partially correct. Russia never intended to invade Ukraine, too risky and not enough rewards...frankly is pointless, Putin is anything but an idiot.
Russian policy has always been very clear, if the Ukie attack the Donbass we will make sure that Ukraine military cease to exist, they can do that with stand off weapons and I think you are significantly overestimating the strength of Ukraine army anyway. Sure if the country disintegrate under the rain of hell the Russians would unleash, Russia could get some easy picking like the southern regions all the way to Odessa if the situation on the ground (meaning local r insurrection against the central government) become favorable...not as a direct annexation but simply independent statelets close to Moscow (similar to what happened in Georgia) or autonomous region in a potential future federal Ukraine. Outright invasion and occupation is out of question.
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The Russian economy, which is already suffering, would be reduced further and would find it impossible to trade or supply the west, resulting in Russia becoming ever poorer.
The video below spells out why it would be a bad decision to invade Ukraine and that it would work out in Americas favour.
The decision is Putin's and all any one can do is to point out the massive pitfalls involved in such action, and it has been suggested that Russia is walking head long in to a trap.
Russia economy is not "suffering" (nor is "poor") that much from sanctions and, frankly, they do not give a damn about them (the Russian ambassador in Sweden said explicitly they do not give a s....) and if you think the West is immune from retaliation, they would get a cruse awakening Think about energy, natural resources (some of them vital to US defense industry), etc...
Russia is the last country you can successfully sanction, especially in an alliance with China.
Seriously, the west and nato should go to hell. I was curious, and very reasonably so, if there is any referendum by the Ukrainian people if they want nato/eu and any other bullsh!t old Biden is trying to sell them...and yeah there is:
only 15% of ukrainians see nato as a protection lol!
"A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 43% of Ukrainians associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection."
Seriously, the west and nato should go to hell. I was curious, and very reasonably so, if there is any referendum by the Ukrainian people if they want nato/eu and any other bullsh!t old Biden is trying to sell them...and yeah there is:
only 15% of ukrainians see nato as a protection lol!
"A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 43% of Ukrainians associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection."
Six years later...
"Western Ukraine has always been significantly more pro-NATO than the rest of the country; Eastern Ukraine is far more anti-NATO and pro-Russia than the rest of Ukraine. Following the Russian military intervention of 2014, annexation of Crimea and the start of the Donbass War, many Ukrainians changed their views of NATO: polls from the middle of 2014 till 2016 showed that the majority of Ukrainians supported NATO membership."
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: don't you dare ask what Ukrainians think about Ukraine! It's up to western europeans to decide...lmao I can't even type this with a straight face (Scrat is also an American I think...).
