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Where do you see Watertown, NY in the America 2050 map?
Do you have anything to say at all beyond "There are Germans in Nevada. Is that Midwestern too? Huh? Huh? Huh?"
My point is that if we ignore state lines, which most would say are arbitrary, then Buffalo would be grouped with Cleveland and Detroit before it would be grouped with Boston and Philadelphia. "Northeast," "South" and "Midwest" are just labels that don't necessarily have any meaning. Yet we cleave to (or resist) some more than others because of the positive or negative attributes associated with these regions.
First of all, get over yourself and stop being childish. This isn't about positive or negative attitudes. It is about where these places are and that you can use anything to make place be whatever you want it to be. This given that many things crossover, as it has been displayed in this thread many times. Like I've also said, we can make Cleveland and Detroit Northeastern if we really want to, but they aren't, the same way Upstate NY cities aren't Midwestern. This doesn't get into what is established as being "Northeastern" and "Midwestern".
BTW-Watertown is an area in the Great Lakes east of Lake Ontario. Hence, the reason I mentioned it and wondered where it fit in terms of the topic.
Elkton, MD is not in Western Maryland (which was the boldest post you're responding to mentioned).
You're right. I was thinking it was because it's west of Newark, Delaware, where I used to live. Still, it's appalling that they had segregated lunch counters in the 60s.
Maryland is not all one cultural unit. Southern Maryland was the South. Baltimore was the South. Areas around Cumberland, however, have never really differed from Pennsylvania. It was settled by the same settlers. So no, the Mason-Dixon Line is not some magical line where culture, linguistics, settlement patterns, etc. all change.
And as nei said, state lines really have nothing to do with where most people believe the South begins in 2016. So if the "South" is not restricted by state borders, then there's no reason why the Midwest/Northeast should be either.
Good Grief, if Maryland can have all these "units", why can't the northeast?
And what special expertise do you have in this topic to be issuing these "inerrant word of God" pieces about these places? I see you live in Brooklyn. Where else have you lived?
First of all, get over yourself and stop being childish. This isn't about positive or negative attitudes. It is about where these places are and that you can use anything to make place be whatever you want it to be.
Good Grief, if Maryland can have all these "units", why can't the northeast?
It's not so much that the Northeast has all of these "units." The question is why can't Pennsylvania have these different cultural units. Why isn't it possible for, say, the Eastern 2/3rds of the state to be "Eastern" while the Western 1/3 is "Midwestern"? Texas is culturally split. Maryland is culturally split. Virginia is culturally split. Florida is culturally split. I see no reason why Pennsylvania can't have a similar cultural split.
They aren't and no one is trying to make them so.(Shrug)
So, should all of the Great Lakes areas just become its own region is probably a question that should be asked.
As for the split, it could be a matter of settlement, as that has changed the "culture" of areas. That still doesn't change the region they are in, as geography is important and plays a part in why a place is the way it is.
That's a valid question. It seems like people in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, etc. don't want to be associated with the rest of the Midwest as well.
I'll ask you this question that you would appreciate and may somewhat bring a point home. Being of Bajan(Barbados for those that don't know) descent, out of Buffalo, Cleveland and Detroit, which city/area would you think or feel would have a higher presence of people of Bajan or Caribbean descent, in general?
I'll ask you this question that you would appreciate and may somewhat bring a point home. Being of Bajan(Barbados for those that don't know) descent, out of Buffalo, Cleveland and Detroit, which city/area would you think or feel would have a higher presence of people of Bajan or Caribbean descent, in general?
Probably Buffalo but I would imagine all of them have tiny West Indian populations.
Buffalo has a NYC-born mayor of Caribbean descent. But the Black population in Buffalo is virtually all AA.
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I was thinking it was because it's west of Newark, Delaware, where I used to live. Still, it's appalling that they had segregated lunch counters in the 60s.
