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Old 08-12-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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The thing is, many individuals feel resentment and emnity for Democrats. In their minds, Trump is saying what they want him to say. This is why it's rare to see many Trump supporters call Trump out.
The cruelty is the point.
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:04 PM
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When he's right, he's right. On the sanctuary state policies, alone, California is a disgrace to the nation.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Despite living here, I wouldn't argue with him about it lol.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Tulare County, Ca
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There are different concepts at play here. One can promote specific views the country wanted, but still be the president of all US citizens. Why do we bother with a president of a country, then?

This is wanting one party rule in effect, where only your voters matter at all. A good leader can balance it all. Conflict is natural, but how one handles it is key, and he is very immature about it.

Like the wildfire situation I mentioned.... Several states were having the same situation, but he singled out the one he didn't like and went after them. How is that helpful or not divisive?

Whatever. I think it's astounding that wanting a president who can behave as a decent human being... Not a wimp, not a pushover, but a basic decent person period...is somehow some alien concept. You can be assertive and get things done without being Biff Tannen.

I left the Republican party before him since it was going downhill, but certainly would leave now if I was still in. We need new parties, if they need to be a thing. Likely vote 3rd party moderate/conservative since my vote doesn't matter so much in my state.

He didn't totally go after them. He came out and visited the area and pledged full support of the federal government in recovery efforts.
California wildfires: President Trump tours CA damage, meets ...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-wildfires-president-trump-head
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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He didn't totally go after them. He came out and visited the area and pledged full support of the federal government in recovery efforts.
California wildfires: President Trump tours CA damage, meets ...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-wildfires-president-trump-head
That was months after, and this happened on Twitter and so on. He was threatening not to send federal funds and all sorts of unnecessary stuff while they were going on. Literally as people were dying and losing their homes.

He had no similar words for all of the states with similar wildfire problems at the time. Just California.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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That was months after, and this happened on Twitter and so on. He was threatening not to send federal funds and all sorts of unnecessary stuff while they were going on. Literally as people were dying and losing their homes.

He had no similar words for all of the states with similar wildfire problems at the time. Just California.
This is one of the few topics that I agree with Trump on. California has been setting their own citizens up for disaster for years. The state allows people to build in areas that are prone to wildfires while refusing to clear undergrowth and deadwood because it might mess up the ecosystem. The people who lost property and loved ones in the wildfires should be angry at the government which allowed those fires to happen, not at the POTUS who points out the stupidity of California’s policies.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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This is one of the few topics that I agree with Trump on. California has been setting their own citizens up for disaster for years. The state allows people to build in areas that are prone to wildfires while refusing to clear undergrowth and deadwood because it might mess up the ecosystem. The people who lost property and loved ones in the wildfires should be angry at the government which allowed those fires to happen, not at the POTUS who points out the stupidity of California’s policies.
Timing is key, and he has not said anything similar to any of the other wildfire prone states. I think there were a dozen other states at least with wildfires last summer. It was one of the worst years ever here in Utah.

It would be more believable that it was about policy and not just going after CA if he had talked about the wildfire problem as a whole for the US, or phrased it differently, or all sorts of other issues with how he handled it.

Plus, California owns very little of the forest areas itself. It's almost half private and half federal. At least some of these fires were on federal land.
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Old 08-12-2019, 05:26 PM
 
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The cruelty is the point.
I figured as much. You can say "California has some issues it needs to deal with, and deal with quickly" without being a jerk. Saying "California is a disgrace" is called being a jerk. You can be honest without being brutish and ugly. Of course, I think some people like that Trump is being a jerk. I do not buy that "he tells it like it is" crap. He tells it the way some persons want to hear it. Indeed, the cruelty is the point. There are many people who hate California. President Trump calling California "a disgrace" spoke to how they felt.

I will close with this. I don't hate California. I don't like the way some things are done in California. However, I would not refer to the whole state as a disgrace. I feel like California has room for improvement. On that note, referring to a state as a "disgrace" isn't going to make things better. It isn't going to foster unity. It's just going to make things worse. I mentioned Louisiana in earlier posts. The state of Louisiana has alot of problems. I'm not going to call Louisiana a "disgrace". I am going to say that Louisiana has issues that need to be solved if it hopes to do better. One thing I have noticed is that very few people refer to Louisiana as a disgrace. This tells me that this is more about "we hate California" and not about solving any actual problems.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Timing is key, and he has not said anything similar to any of the other wildfire prone states. I think there were a dozen other states at least with wildfires last summer. It was one of the worst years ever here in Utah.

It would be more believable that it was about policy and not just going after CA if he had talked about the wildfire problem as a whole for the US, or phrased it differently, or all sorts of other issues with how he handled it.

Plus, California owns very little of the forest areas itself. It's almost half private and half federal. At least some of these fires were on federal land.
People don’t build houses on federal land, and nobody can claim that California is a lightly regulated state. Even on private land, you need permits and inspections to build a house. Their state land is poorly kept when it comes to fire prevention, so poorly that even California is now working to change it (good for them, btw).
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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People don’t build houses on federal land, and nobody can claim that California is a lightly regulated state. Even on private land, you need permits and inspections to build a house. Their state land is poorly kept when it comes to fire prevention, so poorly that even California is now working to change it (good for them, btw).
The fires start and spread on federal land, reaching houses or other structures.

"The largest blaze in state history, the 410,200-acre Ranch Fire, this past summer burned on large swaths of land managed by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management in Mendocino and nearby counties north of San Francisco."

https://www.redding.com/story/news/2...nd/1971196002/

And again.. why just California? Isn't it concerning to him that lots of other states have destructive wildfires every summer? Why aren't they chastised by him or even mentioned period?

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