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Old 09-25-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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And there are terrible news from Ukraine. Homeguard of Donbass discovered mass graves of civilians and POWs, they all were tortured and executed, some of them were young women including one pregnant young woman and one woman was beheaded. All women were raped. Internal organs of some bodies were cut. This territory was under control of battalion Aidar until these days. And ukrainian army still name itself as 'liberators'. Yes, they liberated Donbass like Hitler did - with bombs, terror and punitve actions.

EU receives from OSCE information about mass graves in Donetsk



The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine reported on its website on September 23 that representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic had found three mass graves near Donetsk

BRUSSELS, September 25 /ITAR-TASS/. The European Union has received OSCE information on discovery of mass graves near Donetsk and has called for investigation into all human rights violations in eastern Ukraine, a source at the EU external action service told Itar-Tass on Thursday.

The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine reported on its website on September 23 that representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic had found three mass graves near Donetsk.

“The ‘military police’ of ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ (‘DPR’) told the SMM that three unmarked graves allegedly containing multiple bodies had been found; two of them were located in a coal mine Komunar near the village Nyzhnia Krynka (35km north-east of Donetsk) and one inside the village,” the OSCE said in its report.

“The SMM proceeded to the scene and saw in the coal mine two areas located fifty meters apart, each containing two human bodies. All the four corpses were in the process of decomposition. The SMM also saw eight 9mm Makarov pistol cartridges approximately five meters away from the bodies. Near the road on the edge of the village, the SMM observed a pile of earth resembling a grave which had a stick with a plaque, written in Russian and containing the names (or in one case - initials) of five individuals, the OSCE said, adding the SMM had not seen any forensic experts neither in the coal mine nor in the village.

An inscription against one of the names indicates that the person had died on August 27, 2014.

“Also in Nyzhnia Krynka, the SMM observed a destroyed bridge over the water reservoir, connecting the locality with Donetsk. According to local residents, the bridge was blown up by Ukrainian soldiers leaving the area around 18 September,” the OSCE monitors said.

Forensic experts who had examined the remains in one of the graves discovered near the Komunar coal mine concluded that the people buried in it could have been killed by a shot in the head from close distance. At present, there is information about four dead persons.

The entire territory around the Komunar coal mine which used to be controlled by Ukraine’s Aidar punitive battalion is going to be searched. The militias have already found more graves, which they have left unopened so far.
The Russian Foreign Ministry, the Russian parliament, public and human rights organizations have demanded international investigation.

The EU external action service, meanwhile, believes that progress in implementing the peace plan signed in Minsk on September 5 will be a vital step towards restoration of law and order in the region.

ITAR-TASS: World - EU receives from OSCE information about mass graves in Donetsk
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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It's just an attempt of Kremlin to enjoin on one it own sins. Even if the video is original it doesn't prove anythink.
Hello. What "Kremlin attempts" have to do with this video, if the video is "original"? Or was it staged by Kremlin?

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Also it's not rare in all of the Europe to see that.
To see what? You mean the nationalists marches? With idea of pointing at specific enemy? That's "not rare" to see in Europe?

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Moscow since ancient times had been propagating myths about "nazi" movements of peoples she had enslaved.
Err... there was no "nazis" in ancient times just in case you didn't notice.

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As a result the peoples were historically deprived of land and natural resources, future at last.
A lot of people in this world "were deprived of land and natural resources" and it hasn't been done exclusively by Russia. Yet interestingly enough Balts ( and Ukrainian nationalists) love to disregard this fact and to ascribe all evils of the world exclusively to Russia.

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For what you reckon it make sense to love Russia -for slavery and genocides?
There was no "slavery and genocide" that tzarist Russia was subjecting Balts to; in fact they preferred to be part of the Russian Empire rather than to be under the German dominance. It all changed only during Soviet times. During Soviet times the ethnic Russians were subjected to "slavery, genocide" and deportations as well, already BEFORE the deportation of Balts ( who were deported for very specific reasons just in case you don't know.) So while Balts have every right to hate Russians because of Soviet times, Russians have every right to hate Balts too, since during WWII they were cooperating with their enemy.

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And you must know that nazis in Russia are strongly developing with kremlin's support
Who told you so? Your own imagination? Kremlin is afraid of Russian nationalists; the rise of Russian nationalism, in fact, came as unintended byproduct of Kremlin's corporate policies of bringing cheap labor from Central Asia to Moscow and other big cities ( not to mention constant squabbles of ethnic Russians with Caucasians.)
During the first big riots of the nationalists in Moscow, back in 2010 already, Putin pointed at this emerging power and questioned so-called "liberals" ( his other big political opponents) - "are you ready and able to deal with them?" In Russia liberals ( who often include Jews) don't want anything to do with Russian nationalists, while in Ukraine these two forces united and the nationalists became the bayonets of "Maydan revolution" and beyond. In Russia these two remained the separate political forces, although both hostile to Kremlin.

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Old 09-25-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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Can someone please translate? I think they're cutting back or turning off electricity in the Ukraine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ6VMxOltJM#t=99

They are naming the regions in Ukraine, where "emergency cut backs" on electricity is coming in place from the 23rd of September ( Kiev's region including.) They are talking here to Zaporozhie energy reps, where the forceful cut backs are not taking place (yet) since the local authorities hope for " sense of responsibility" in people living in this regions. The goal is to cut the usage of energy by 25%. If the goal is not met, the emergency shut off will follow.
At the same time you can see the announcement running on the screen, that Poroshenko has applied for membership in E.U. in 2020. That should make Ukrainians feel so much better under the circumstances I suppose.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:06 AM
 
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The de facto situation today after the implementation of the Ceasefire is that the rebel held territory in Donbass (about 60% of the Donestk and Lugansk oblasts) are autonomous, self governing bodies with strong links to the Russian federation, abit like Pridovnye/Transdniestra, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. It seems to me in the mean time a short/midle term not too bad of a compromise for all parties involved. At least human lives are thus preserved.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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In Russia liberals ( who often include Jews) don't want anything to do with
Russian nationalists, while in Ukraine these two forces united and the
nationalists became the bayonets of "Maydan revolution" and beyond. In Russia
these two remained the separate political forces, although both hostile to
Kremlin.
Curious what the take will be in Rossiya after the march' of some 'dissidents' in Moscow a few days back. They appeared to come out for a day and offer another look of the Rossiyan voters who don't appear to want to tow the line with Putin's way of ordering Rossiyan interests. Looked like the Kremlin let'em march and no trouble (that I know of) ensued. Probably was a good time for Putin to perhaps 'count the heads' of the opposition.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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For what you reckon it make sense to love Russia -for slavery and genocides?
Genocide? Russian never exterminated the local population. All attached land came under the protection of the Russian army, Russia always helped regions economically. And slavery (serfdom) in Russia was rather interesting. Serfs had quite a lot of rights. Are you from the Baltic states?
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Old 09-26-2014, 10:51 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3p5APuG_1I

Ukrainian army uses tanks from radiation zone Chernobyl. I understand that it is because of desperation and they need tanks for war, but why they don't worry about their soldiers's health?
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Genocide? Russian never exterminated the local population. All attached land came under the protection of the Russian army, Russia always helped regions economically. And slavery (serfdom) in Russia was rather interesting. Serfs had quite a lot of rights. Are you from the Baltic states?
It's useless to explain the ditz.
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Old 09-27-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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Curious what the take will be in Rossiya after the march' of some 'dissidents' in Moscow a few days back. They appeared to come out for a day and offer another look of the Rossiyan voters who don't appear to want to tow the line with Putin's way of ordering Rossiyan interests. Looked like the Kremlin let'em march and no trouble (that I know of) ensued. Probably was a good time for Putin to perhaps 'count the heads' of the opposition.
All the "heads of opposition" are well-known to him from earlier times; interestingly enough, with the rise of activities among the nationalists, I think he is playing the opposition against each other ( i.e. "liberals" against the "nationalists," since those two are vastly disagree on Donbass issue.)
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