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Comrade erasure, you do realize that the only russian strength at this point is rabidly chauvinistic population bombarded with incessant flow of propaganda, hatred, nazism, paranoia, mania of grandeur, and anti-americanism.
Oh please stop your hysteria. I suspect that Ukrainian propaganda machine zombified you to no end.
Of course Putin's media is doing its job, but that's for the *masses.* However *masses* are not the ones in Russia that define the political future of the country. Intellectuals do.
So you need to be aware of what THEY think on this matter, not what mass media is pushing on TV.
Therefore I'll leave you with more homework; this is the political debate between I. Strelkov - the original organizer of opolchenie in Donbass, and N. Starikov - basically a talking head for Putin's policies in Russia for the moment being, ( although officially he is a writer/historian - whatever.)
This will explain to you why there are no Russian troops in Donbass, but plenty of volunteers.
I assume that you understand Russian, because if you don't, why do you even pretend that you understand any of it, any of current events that pertain to Russia.
Who are these guys, volunteers or regulars? Why are these green Russian troops excited about killing ukrainians? They have become volunteers right in the military train?
Re: '...And don't know how to order fast food in Moscow'
Speaking of fast food, did they tear down McDonald's?? I thought they got kicked out for 'unsanitary' conditions in the restaurant! But I think they got caught in some eco war or something..;-)...
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Speaking of fast food, did they tear down McDonald's?? I thought they got kicked out for 'unsanitary' conditions in the restaurant! But I think they got caught in some eco war or something..;-)...
I don't eat McD's in NYC so I could not care less if Russians kicked McD's out. I also don't drink Coco-Cola, so I could not care less if Russians sanctioned their products to death. If Russians ban Coco-Cola from Russia, their market share will fall to Russian companies producing Russian soft-drinks.
Russian version of McD's is called Teremok, same quality as McD's too.
on average how many years of peace does US know between wars and the same for Russia?
I am to lazy to take out a calculator, but it looks about the same, no?
I once googled all the wars Russia has participated in.
on average how many years of peace does US know between wars and the same for Russia?
I am to lazy to take out a calculator, but it looks about the same, no?
Pardon, how old is Russia and how old is the U.S.? If starting from 1776, on average statistically the U.S. has engaged in many more wars, conflicts, invasions, coups, in many more countries all over the world than Russia has in 1000 years.
If Russia fights a war it's always on its own borders; I am not aware of Russia sending troops across the oceans to say Africa, South America, Asia to wage wars. In fact, the only time Russian troops went deep into Western Europe was when Napoleon was defeated. Russia is simply not a colonial power(Alaska&California dont count), its army and navy isnt stationed on every continent and dozens of nations, unlike American military.
History will judge which nation will be proven right in this conflict in Ukraine.
Pardon, how old is Russia and how old is the U.S.? If starting from 1776, on average statistically the U.S. has engaged in many more wars, conflicts, invasions, coups, in many more countries all over the world than Russia has in 1000 years.
If Russia fights a war it's always on its own borders; I am not aware of Russia sending troops across the oceans to say Africa, South America, Asia to wage wars. In fact, the only time Russian troops went deep into Western Europe was when Napoleon was defeated. Russia is simply not a colonial power(Alaska&California dont count), its army and navy isnt stationed on every continent and dozens of nations, unlike American military.
History will judge which nation will be proven right in this conflict in Ukraine.
So little do you know about your own government. It's like Russia does not supply arms to every SOB on the planet.
My point being that Russia is no different then US. Always in some sort of war.
Besides, Isn't being a good neighbor culturally important in Russia ? Look at how good of neighbor you are. All your neighbors hate you unless you pay em, and then you fight wars with them... Typical Russian stereotype, got dunk and gave one of your neighbors a black eye..
Re: 'History will judge which nation will be proven right in this conflict in Ukraine'
Curious what then will be 'proved right'? That Ukraine cannot and will not be part of the West due to
a conception of 'Holy Russia' that will perhaps mitigate the fall of a once great socialist republic? That Russia has a right to block the self-actualization of a sovereign state and continually interfere in its affairs and destroy its people, land and infrastructure? That all who inhabit Ukraine are Nazis?
One wonders where the Russian mind set sits if the state itself gets aggrandizement over its occupation and invasion of the Crimea and the presence of its troops in Georgia, Moldova and Abkhazia. This is like Gulliver ruling over Lilliput. But perhaps another consideration is that it's simply a front for bigger fish say Poland one day? Now there's a nice piece of land in the offing!
We don't know yet who will be 'proved right' but if history is any indication Russia has had its share of misfortune. Not sure if the country could handle another one with aplomb. That I think is what the West must fear. Why? Simply that there is an old psychological tenet that simply stated says, 'Frustration leads to aggression'. It's evident right now and probably more to come. Europe's on a bumpy and scary ride due to the machinations of Vladimir the Great. I don't think he will countenance defeat. And that is a dangerous problem.
Pardon, how old is Russia and how old is the U.S.? If starting from 1776, on average statistically the U.S. has engaged in many more wars, conflicts, invasions, coups, in many more countries all over the world than Russia has in 1000 years.
If Russia fights a war it's always on its own borders; I am not aware of Russia sending troops across the oceans to say Africa, South America, Asia to wage wars. In fact, the only time Russian troops went deep into Western Europe was when Napoleon was defeated. Russia is simply not a colonial power(Alaska&California dont count), its army and navy isnt stationed on every continent and dozens of nations, unlike American military.
History will judge which nation will be proven right in this conflict in Ukraine.
First, you got your imaginary statistics directly out of your preconceptions about big bad USA. The rise of Muscovy alone has seen more conflict and wars than it is humanely possible to count. And then Russians needed to grab and subdue 1/7th of Earth land surface. Contrary to popular Russian belief, the greateful, awestrucked savages didnt beg the Russians to take them in, most of the times.
Sure, Russia was not full blown Global Empire, but not because of lack of trying. I think that the reason #1 behind Russian idiosyncrasy, manias and paranoia is simple envy, a mismatch between self perception and reality. Russians want to be Global dominators and civilizators, they have distinct mania of "white man burden", after all Russians are the smartest, the bravest, the kindest, the most spiritual, the most of everything and yet they just pump oil and rattle old soviet weapons. At the same time, dumb, spiritually dead, greedy pindos settle global issues (russians rarely use the noun "American", usually it is something insulting), it must be because Russians are too good to be as bad as pindos are. Rabid anti Americanism of Russia is well outside of the realm of rational. USSR waging a cold war on USA was not anywhere near Russian levels of hatred and paranoia. In short, Russia needs a Freud really bad.
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So I hear. "Found passports." The question I have however, with so many POWs exchanges that already took place, where are the "Russian soldiers" in them? Sure they had to be caught alive by now, not just their mysterious "passports?"
And not by Ukrainian side, not a single time of course.
It's in the interest of Russian soldiers and Russian geopilitical intiatives to keep this conflict frozen, just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
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Is it a secret that a lot of Russians are coming to fight on DNR side? And why shouldn't they under the circumstances? I don't care what you are saying here ( anyone can say whatever they like,) - I go by what I see, (even on this video.) They are clearly older and experienced in war affairs people, with military background in their past. So why is it a surprise then, that DNR people are "trained in reconnaissance, artillery spotting" and so on. I suspect quite a few of them had training in the Soviet Army.
So you admit direct Russian involvment in this conflict, then why are they so hesitant to do the same?
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And that's what they are doing. Moving to Russia together with their lands, where they were born and raised. It USED to be Ukrainian land, as long as *Ukrainians* didn't decide to act stupid. Like removing the official status of Russian language. Or letting the Bandera scum out of the bottle.
Sure, but we all need to see it to believe it. Proof please, or it never happened.
People move, not land. Lets hypothetically say that Mexico decides to play on latin americans sentiments and land grab in the same manner as Russia is doing, would America be acting "stupid" to put down this effort? Absolutely not.
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Of course it does, and why shouldn't it in this situation?; it's understandable, because general population wouldn't have forgiven it to Putin - the absence of any support to the rebels, particularly after May events in Odessa. But "troop-wise" - that's a big question here. I think that Russia has enough of experienced people to participate in these events, no particular need in regular troops.
Again, if you so positively know this to be true then why hasn't your KGB dictator stated such? Anyone who studies military capacity knows that Russia can't wage an open war on more than 1-2 fronts. Conscription has its own challenges.
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What "other Eastern European countries?" Aren't they all already in E.U.?
Belarus, who is growing weary of the land grabs Russia has conducted recently.
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Well you see this whole situation with the cauldron. How it's going to be resolved?
When the UAF are armed with modern weapons, not that they would win but it would raise the stakes significantly for this obvious Russian operation and expose their direct involvement.
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