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I mean, the extremists on both sides have to be realistic: There won't be a peaceful Novorossiya and there won't be a peaceful Eastern Ukraine without sufficient self-government. We can keep on playing the blame game forever, but in the end it won't help the people actually living there.
Do those extremists include the likes of McCain and others from the west who are really calling the shots here?
Putin legitimate president of the Russian Federation. He has the support of most of the population of Russia. Your attacks on him Russian may perceive as an attack on themselves. Remember this.
UPD: Russian is very angry that the United States and the Europeans supported a military coup in a neighboring country with which they had a very close relationship. You can not scare them with the sanctions, they clasped his teeth and will endure. If Putin will not respond to Western sanctions, Russians seen in this a weakness. Weak rulers did not rule long in Russia. If someone wanted to embroil Russia and Europe, he did it very well.
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Do those extremists include the likes of McCain and others from the west who are really calling the shots here?
I really don't think that McCain has anything to say in this conflict. He is about as important in the big picture as those politicians in Moscow that are pushing for a nuclear strike ...
Putin legitimate president of the Russian Federation. He has the support of most of the population of Russia. Your attacks on him Russian may perceive as an attack on themselves. Remember this.
UPD: Russian is very angry that the United States and the Europeans supported a military coup in a neighboring country with which they had a very close relationship. You can not scare them with the sanctions, they clasped his teeth and will endure. If Putin will not respond to Western sanctions, Russians seen in this a weakness. Weak rulers did not rule long in Russia. If someone wanted to embroil Russia and Europe, he did it very well.
The Russia-West (US, NATO, EU) split started with Libya. Despite US assurances to Russia regarding action in Libya, the US and NATO violated every gentleman agreement with Russia it had. This of course soon after impacted Russia's dealings with the West over Syria, and definitely an influential factor over Ukraine.
Regarding Libya; Russia has legitimate interests in a stabilized Middle East, in which Russia does not want radical Islam knocking on its door. The West basically ignored Russia's interests, and now look at the place; the entire Middle East is a mess. Russia has absolutely zero reason to think the West has Russia's concerns at all in their minds, and from the looks of it, it seems the West really does not know what they are doing as well, so why would Russia ever think of any compromise with the West after all that has happened?
As for Ukraine; Russia did not even blink when the Orange revolt happened, but recent issues with the West I think Russia knows not to trust anything coming out of the West. The mere fact US politicians were among the first to line up with the new Ukraine gov, actually with the protesters before the revolt, kind of sent a negative shock wave to Russia regarding relations. After all, it was US politicians shaking hands with Syrian rebels, now look at the situation.
Donbas Battalion "volunteers" surrender yesterday. These guys look hungry. A report that Donetsk airport has fallen, American and Polish "freedom fighters" were found hiding in the bunkers when they were flooded. Over 100 captured, 100s more dead.
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Hmm...may I suggest we look at the situation right now?
Putin has troops and war materiel in Ukraine. He wants some kind of 'negotiation' right now on 'statehood' for the Ukrainian area in question. I 'd think yes the 'Ukies' are getting it real bad and are looking down at the barrel of Rossiyan guns, on their territory no less. Amazing. His threat if going to Kiev isn't an idle boast. And and if he pulls the current situation to a favorable position for the separatists he'd be that much closer to Kiev. Savings on gas for the tanks for sure!
Boy if Europe let's all that stand their foreign embassies will be working overtime. Curious as to their solution to this pressing problem.
The Russia-West (US, NATO, EU) split started with Libya. Despite US assurances to Russia regarding action in Libya, the US and NATO violated every gentleman agreement with Russia it had. This of course soon after impacted Russia's dealings with the West over Syria, and definitely an influential factor over Ukraine.
Regarding Libya; Russia has legitimate interests in a stabilized Middle East, in which Russia does not want radical Islam knocking on its door. The West basically ignored Russia's interests, and now look at the place; the entire Middle East is a mess. Russia has absolutely zero reason to think the West has Russia's concerns at all in their minds, and from the looks of it, it seems the West really does not know what they are doing as well, so why would Russia ever think of any compromise with the West after all that has happened?
As for Ukraine; Russia did not even blink when the Orange revolt happened, but recent issues with the West I think Russia knows not to trust anything coming out of the West. The mere fact US politicians were among the first to line up with the new Ukraine gov, actually with the protesters before the revolt, kind of sent a negative shock wave to Russia regarding relations. After all, it was US politicians shaking hands with Syrian rebels, now look at the situation.
I subscribe to this analysis, can't give you any more rep at the moment.
At first I used to consider far-fetched the idea that the US's deliberate spread of chaos in the "Oil Crescent" (Mr bin's would-be caliphate) that runs from Iran (flanked by Afghanistan) and the Caspian Sea region to Libya and Sudan was connected to fracking and oil & natural gas exports from the US, but now I am starting to think that it's not.
I mean, either way, swallow Ukraine whole or try to saddle Russia with sanctions via the EU is a relatively low-risk strategy; even if that part of it doesn't work out at all, almost certain is increased military spending allocated to eastern EU/NATO, not to mention the ongoing selling of arms and defense systems. Again, worth mentioning, prices for military stocks on US markets have almost doubled in the past 18 months or so.
> Der russische Präsident träumt von der Neugründung eines Staates unter
> historischem Namen. Ein Kommentar von Carsten Luther
ich kann dort nicht kommentieren, also mach ich's mal hier.
Vielleicht kann+will es jemand dorthin kopieren
warum soll Putin von einem neuen Staat Novorussia "traeumen" aber dann
klipp und klar erklaeren (lassen) es solle aber innerhalb des Ukrainischen Staates geschehen ?
Waere das nicht diesem "Ziel" ziemlich abtraeglich ?
gsgs, that's what a lot of Russians are wondering about, when you read FB and other sources.
What it looks like to me, isthat there is a lot of bargaining is going on behind the scene, that's why the *possible solutions* are changing by the hour.
Which doesn't sit well neither with Russian public, not with DNR people for the most part.
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