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Old 05-30-2011, 04:38 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson View Post
It is unfortunate that most (if not all) of the people who are here illegally from Mexico and other latin-American countries are hispanic and dark skinned. However, considering the problem that exists in this country, I would think that brown skin, a "pronounced" accent, and a last name like Rodriguez, Gonzales, Garcia, Ortiz, etc., should be considered PROBABLY CAUSE.

Works for me.

20yrsinBranson
I thank God what you "would think" and what you believe "should be considered" probable cause...are NOT the law of the land.

 
Old 05-30-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson View Post
It is unfortunate that most (if not all) of the people who are here illegally from Mexico and other latin-American countries are hispanic and dark skinned. However, considering the problem that exists in this country, I would think that brown skin, a "pronounced" accent, and a last name like Rodriguez, Gonzales, Garcia, Ortiz, etc., should be considered PROBABLY CAUSE.

Works for me.

20yrsinBranson
Actually around here there are so many brown skinned guys that mostly the cops hassle black guys. "Driving while black" is a well known cause for a traffic stop.

Whatever turns the cop on I guess...
 
Old 05-30-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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And get cuffed and stuffed if I wont tell the cop my name? If good enough for me; good enough for illegals.
Listen one more time. YOu are required to tell the cop your name. That is it.

As I said above the cops here love to stop people for driving while black. It is of course flatly illegal and even pretty much immoral. But it is still done.

So they may well stuff and cuff you for being silent. But actually what will happen is they will roll a sergant who will decide they don't want the hassle and will let you go with an admonition not to continue being a wise ass. What you do is give him a big smile and leave. You both know the truth but why risk getting your head broke to rub it in?

Cops virtually never pursue such matters. They bluster and carry on and threaten and maybe even shove you around a little bit. Then they let you go.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Originally Posted by All American NYC View Post
Its not racial profiling. Many countries do it and it works.

The police job is to protect & serve the community.

By not asking a persons legal status is not Protecting the community.
And when they ask you? Remember many illegals pending hearings have Drivers Licenses so you can't use that
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I wonder why after 100 years of immigration laws, why no President, no Congress, nor any Supreme court gave this duty to local law enforcement?

Not after the bombing of Pearl Harbor and WWII to the a attack on 911 and the signing of the Patriot Act to today has America seen it fit to do so.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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Most countries DONT have a Constitution with rights anywhere comparable to the US.

I find it disgusting that those that claim that illegal aliens are "changing" America want to do away with fundemantal rights this country was founded on.

On his Memorial day, go out to a National Cementary and read the Headstones. Tell all of those Vetrens of foreign Wars that gave the ultimate sacrifice that you want the US Constitution to be just like all those crap hole countries they died in...
I don't know of any of us here trying to do away with the basic human rights of illegal aliens or anyone else. Yes, illegals are changing America. That is a no-brainer and it's not for the better.

I find it equally disgusting that those who expouse the Constitution so vehemently don't do so about the violations of our immigration laws. Kind of a hypocricy, isn't it?
 
Old 05-30-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I don't know of any of us here trying to do away with the basic human rights of illegal aliens or anyone else. Yes, illegals are changing America. That is a no-brainer and it's not for the better.

I find it equally disgusting that those who expouse the Constitution so vehemently don't do so about the violations of our immigration laws. Kind of a hypocricy, isn't it?
Its a no brainer if you beleive Immigration laws is comprable to US Constitutional rights.


You defend immigration law, I'll defend the US Cosntitution.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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Its a no brainer if you beleive Immigration laws is comprable to US Constitutional rights.


You defend immigration law, I'll defend the US Cosntitution.
No, I defend both. You only defend the Constitution.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I don't know of any of us here trying to do away with the basic human rights of illegal aliens or anyone else. Yes, illegals are changing America. That is a no-brainer and it's not for the better.

I find it equally disgusting that those who expouse the Constitution so vehemently don't do so about the violations of our immigration laws. Kind of a hypocricy, isn't it?
It is simply not enforceable within the constrants of our society. Too bad. Could have been easily contained at one point but was not. Now we suffer.

I don't like speeders either. But I don't think I would agree to triple our local police budget to reduce speeders to virtually nonexistence. In a way I am condoning illegal conduct. I am not willing to spend another billlion to keep the speeders fully under control. Mostly is good enough.

So at this point it is simply too late for a strong enforcement answer. We can't afford it and are unwilling to deal with the neccessary fallout. We need a compromise that is unacceptable to many. Therefore we will go down the worst case path.

Kind of dumb actually...
 
Old 05-30-2011, 06:18 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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No, I defend both. You only defend the Constitution.
Only if you are out advocating another 40 or 50 billion to ICE et al.

Otherwise you are advocating a position you are not willing to pay for.
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