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Old 05-13-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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Re: 'East-West confrontation in microcosm'

You know if it's 'democracy' that is the issue well the in some places in the East it quite ain't up to snuff. They are arguably 'sham-democracies' purporting to follow laws and human rights etc. Not sure why should Western democracies should want to accept that kind of erratic dialogue going on between Eastern governments and the people? And really how the hell can autocrats be 'friends' with democrats? Never the twain shall meet.

Power in those sham-democracies is constantly wielded so constant control can be applied to activities in the state. If anything is 'free' in those states it is controlled by a select few in the power chain. If democracy is 'in action' it probably occurs in certain circumstances when a result is needed
and it has to be the 'right one' as well. 'Democracy' in the East? Just like a pink frog.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:34 PM
 
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Re: ""Sergei Witte himself said that the "economic relations of Russia with western Europe" were "fully comparable to the relations of colonial countries with their metropolises."

Good piece erasure.

The above remark is the result I'd think after things go sour when enterprises start with needed 'outside help'. It was evident that Russia at that time just didn't have the skill set existing in her manpower. She'd had to go outside of herself. With no 'free-enterprise' and a 'top down ' command economy it had to affect the development of occupational skills needed for the modern age. Indeed it really affected her 'running out of time'.
No and no Travric. You are wrong about that one. Russia ALWAYS had "skill set existing in her power," and that's precisely why she was dangerous for the West, unlike the third world countries, that later could only follow the lead of the Western scientists and develop what was offered/allowed for them. In this respect, Russia was very much part of the West ( or rather Europe better to say.)
Russia didn't have to "go outside of herself" for ideas and inventions; the problem that she had to borrow money even having all these abilities stemmed from a totally different reason.
( This is just off top of my mind, just an example -

Cherepanovs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Despite the successful performance and operation of their locomotives, the Cherepanovs' invention found no support outside the factory and, subsequently, their steam locomotive was replaced with horse traction."

( This should be quite telling for you, and while we are at that - start reading this article; you might find it interesting...)


Russian science is amazing. So why hasn’t it taken over the world? - Ideas - The Boston Globe
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Pretty unusual to see this kind of frank reporting in the West on the muscle behind the regime change in Ukraine. This was right before the coup d'etat.

Ukraine: far-right extremists at core of 'democracy' protest - Channel 4 News
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Old 05-14-2015, 04:48 PM
 
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Gets even better; Ukraine appoints US senator McCain presidential aide

Also another winner, Saakashvili, is on the council as well.

I wonder why Ukrainians just are perfectly ok with foreigners coming in and advising the president?
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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Gets even better; Ukraine appoints US senator McCain presidential aide

Also another winner, Saakashvili, is on the council as well.

I wonder why Ukrainians just are perfectly ok with foreigners coming in and advising the president?
Because they want the US fight their war with Moscow for them.
This much was clear already long time ago.
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:42 AM
 
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The west talks about a new cold war. For Russians it has already started | Susan Richards | Comment is free | The Guardian
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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Sometimes, the truth is buried deep in Western newspapers.

Why Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych Spurned EU’s Offer on 20 Nov. 2013 | Dissident Voice
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Old 05-15-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Ukraine puts up 285 properties up for sale to foreign bidders

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/05...s-catalog.html
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Old 05-15-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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( This should be quite telling for you, and while we are at that - start reading this article; you might find it interesting...)
Thank you Erasure. Further exploring is needed.

I guess all they're doing in East Ukraine now is taking pot shots at one another around Shirokino. It doesn't appear that any offensive actions are going to happen.

Just what the future holds is unknown.
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