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Old 12-29-2011, 07:09 AM
 
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Spiritually baptized, sure.
i was wondering if you could speak additionally as to your understanding of how Acts 22:16 is talking about spiritual baptism and not immersion.

Since we can't obey spiritual baptism... that is something God does alone...

Ananias is telling him to be baptized. How is Saul gonna do that?

 
Old 12-29-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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See Romans 10:8-13.

Let me ask you this: are Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, et al, saved?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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See Romans 10:8-13.

Let me ask you this: are Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, et al, saved?
wait a minute... let's not get away from the question...

arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord...

You say he is commanding Saul/Paul to be spiritually baptized, wash away his sins (that's done by the blood of Christ) calling on the name of the Lord.

I've read Romans... all of it.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

His death is where He shed his blood. we have to come in contact with that blood to be cleansed...


Baptism is symbolizing the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ... we are baptized into his death... raised out of the water to walk in newness of life. we are united with Him in the likeness of his death.... how is spiritual baptism in the likeness of His death?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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wait a minute... let's not get away from the question...

arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord...

You say he is commanding Saul/Paul to be spiritually baptized, wash away his sins (that's done by the blood of Christ) calling on the name of the Lord.

I've read Romans... all of it.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

His death is where He shed his blood. we have to come in contact with that blood to be cleansed...


Baptism is symbolizing the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ... we are baptized into his death... raised out of the water to walk in newness of life. we are united with Him in the likeness of his death.... how is spiritual baptism in the likeness of His death?
I have read all of Romans as well. I have never come away from it convinced that one needs a water baptism for salvation.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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The problem with people referring to Rom. 10:9-10 is that they stop at those two verses and don't consider the other verses following. Anytime you read scripture, you have to consider the other scriptures. Rom. 10:13 is another scripture that people often read by itself. I have learned that you can take one scripture and isolate it from the other scriptures and teach false doctrine. But it's good to refer scripture with other scripture. If you look at some study bibles, they have subheadings. Those subheadings talk about certain things. One chapter can contain several different topics. But my point is that you must consider other scriptures. They do not contradict themselves.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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I have read all of Romans as well. I have never come away from it convinced that one needs a water baptism for salvation.
again... how is spiritual baptism "in the likeness of His death"?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Would also appreciate whether the OT Hebrews are saved.

Just thought of a unique hypo too which would help me understand your position. Let's assume, for the sake of argument only, that these debates over the past few days have caused me to doubt my own salvation for the first time in 10 years. I was baptized as an infant but now really feel compelled to be immersed as an adult. I ask my wife and local pastor (both immersed as adults) to baptize me in my favorite stream and in front of sone very close friends and family as witnesses, very similar to water baptisms in Acts. If I were to go through with that over the weekend, would I be assured of my salvation on Monday morning?

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Old 12-29-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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The problem with people referring to Rom. 10:9-10 is that they stop at those two verses and don't consider the other verses following. Anytime you read scripture, you have to consider the other scriptures. Rom. 10:13 is another scripture that people often read by itself. I have learned that you can take one scripture and isolate it from the other scriptures and teach false doctrine. But it's good to refer scripture with other scripture. If you look at some study bibles, they have subheadings. Those subheadings talk about certain things. One chapter can contain several different topics. But my point is that you must consider other scriptures. They do not contradict themselves.
I have the same inclinations about your collective interpretations on Acts 2.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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again... how is spiritual baptism "in the likeness of His death"?
The water baptism represents the "likness of His death". The spiritual baptism, on the other hand, represnts the actual inner being dying like Jesus.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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The water baptism represents the "likness of His death". The spiritual baptism, on the other hand, represnts the actual inner being dying like Jesus.
Okay, lets begin there...

Can spiritual baptism occur without water baptism?
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