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Old 03-27-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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Are they ethnic Russians or Ukrainians who switched to speaking Russian for some reason?
We in Moscow could never tell for sure who is who, since they all spoke the same Southern dialect of Russian language, Ukrainians and Russians alike, plus people from Southern Russian regions including)))))
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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I don't want to be under Russia's yoke, but just as little under Brussels' or Washington's yoke, but unfortunately in Europe we still are thanks to our spineless politicians...
Me thinks all the yokes are heading for a big clash with each other...
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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I don't think Russia need buffers in the military sense but more in the economic sense. Nations can be brought to their knees if you can cripple their economy. We all see what happened to Iran economically when the United States was determined to economically isolate them because they wanted to develop their Nuclear industry as provide another source of energy and to maybe protect them from the same fate that befell their neighbors Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe be from Putin's point of view is that since the end of the Cold War Putin views the United States as by its actions is behaving as Russia is still the Soviet Union and has been doing it best behind the scenes keep Russia in a weakened form as to be no longer a threat to United States national interests in the foreseeable future. You have to realize the level of fear in the United States there was of the military might of Soviet Union during the Cold war and that now the people in charge of the U.S. security establishment remember that time very vividly. The last thing they want is that same entity to reappear in the future that is able to check the hegemony of the United States. The United States want to curb Russia's possible future military or economic expansionism beyond its borders by backing in countries on Russia's borders political leaders hostile to Russia (not that's the hard to do considering history of the region). Russia main national interest is in developing an economic trade bloc with countries on its periphery as to give it a sense of economic security and prosperity. The United States by showing such an extreme interest in toppling Yanukovich and replacing him with someone on their pre-approved list as witnessed by the leaked conversation of Victoria Nuland the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine only confirmed suspicion that the United States is interfering in the political affairs of Ukraine behind the scenes for the express purpose of thwarting Russia's goal of forming an economic trade bloc.
But see, everyone is in denial that that was the whole plan in the nineties - to suffocate Russia economywise; then you don't need any tanks any more, you can just sit there and pretend that the demise of the country just happened "on its own." And some people still keep on sitting and pretending that it's all about "physical borders" of each and every super-power out there. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is a sin by the way.
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Old 03-27-2014, 07:34 PM
 
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Oh boy...
This doesn't look too good -

"RIVNE, Ukraine (CNN) -- Camouflage-clad militiamen hoist AK-47 assault rifles to their shoulders and blast off a 21-shot salute.
As the muzzles flash, another squad of ultra-nationalist fighters chants, "Our hero is not dead. Glory to him."
A few yards away, a Ukrainian Orthodox priest swings an incense burner. A mother and father weep over the coffin of their dead son.
The killing of radical nationalist leader Oleksandr Muzychko, also known by his nickname "Sasha the White" was enough to make shaven-headed, hardened paramilitary men cry."

Funeral for slain 'Robin Hood' draws Ukraine ultra-nationalists - CNN.com

The freedom fighter outlived his usefulness I guess for both the West and the new Ukrainian government.
Tell me it ain't so...
The Nazi boys are back on Maidan in Kiev, protesting ( or did they ever leave?)
Fatigues, insignia and all. Hot stuff.



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P.S. Under normal circumstances I don't like popcorn, but I think this time around I'll follow RemeberMee advise and get some.

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Old 03-27-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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They are. The problem is, you can't tell the difference between Russians/Ukrainians living in those areas and Russians that live in adjacent areas on Russian side. But there is a much bigger difference between Eastern Ukranians with Western Ukrainians. So basically claiming those areas for EU is not a right thing to do, because culturally these people are really Russians - both ethnic Ukrainians in those areas and ethnic Russians alike.
Where should I even start?

Erasure, first of all, why are we even talking about the EU here? You can't be serious. I don't think, it's even anywhere in sight yet.

Secondly, how much Russia (and Ukraine) changed in the last 20 years? Assuming you live in Russia, can you even say, Russia is the same country now? After all that happened to people in these countries in such a short period of time, how can you possibly say either EU would be a right thing for Eastern Ukrainians one day, say 20-30 years from now, if ever?

Those changes were probably much more radical than any changes and reforms that may take place in the Ukraine in the years to come.

By the way, millions of Russians live all around the world, as you probably know.

In one of your recent posts, you mentioned you have a 19 year old "child" at home. Why don't you ask him/her?

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Old 03-27-2014, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Do you really think that only 40% of the Crimean population did not want be in the mess that is happening in Kiev? This is the question of honesty of the referendum in the Crimea. Ukraine on the brink of civil war.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Do you really think that only 40% of the Crimean population did not want be in the mess that is happening in Kiev? This is the question of honesty of the referendum in the Crimea. Ukraine on the brink of civil war.
Ha! Well what will Crimea do now? Be a piss-poor outback of Russia. Like they would invest any money in Crimea.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Moscow, Russia
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Crimea will be Sochi-2 (38 billion euro). Same people will become the extremaly rich again )
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Crimea will be Sochi-2 (38 billion euro). Same people will become the extremaly rich again )
Maybe yes, maybe not.
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Old 03-28-2014, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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I have today interesting data for inhabitants of the Crimea: )
This comparison of food prices in Russia (Ryazan) and in Simferopol. The first column is the prices of Russia (in rubles and transfer to the Ukrainian hryvnias), and the second column is the prices of Ukraine (Crimea).
And after all poor old women received their pension in an old size and while increases didn't see...
Therefore now they will receive the prices of Russia and pension of Ukraine.
There came the first days of "enlightenment of inhabitants of the Crimea":
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