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Old 03-27-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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End of that chapter then.
And the beginning of the new one.
As I've already mentioned, today's "world stability" ( or better to say " the order of things") is skin deep.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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And the beginning of the new one.
As I've already mentioned, today's "world stability" ( or better to say " the order of things") is skin deep.
The stability and the dissolution of the crisis, hopefully, begins tomorrow.

I'm still going to sleep early if the general mobilization starts tomorrow when we see that Russian tanks are in Kharkiv and Donetsk.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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End of that chapter then.
Well at least Russia still has some friends in North Korea, Assad-run Syria, Robert Mugabe, Sudan, and the communist/socialist banana republics of Latin America.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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Do you have any idea how Russia might react?
I am still trying to figure out what's the deal with Russian troops on Eastern Ukrainian borders.
Because the Crimea issue is settled more or less ( I mean when the West drops its pretenses and hypocrisy for a moment, they know they'd do the same in Russia's place; no one just hands their fleets/ports on a golden plate to adversaries.)
But Eastern Ukraine is already a different story.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Well at least Russia still has some friends in North Korea, Assad-run Syria, Robert Mugabe, Sudan, and the communist/socialist banana republics of Latin America.
And what's more important - she still has the capacity to wreck a havoc in this cozy money-making world that today's West is.
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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Well I guess they can, but why give Putin more cards, when Eastern Ukraine is at stake?
I'm not sure if it's true. I didn't see it in the news anywhere so far.

I fully agree that it would be extremely stupid to do things like this.

On the other hand, if Putin really wants to go for it, he will have more than enough cards, I think.
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:08 AM
 
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I am still trying to figure out what's the deal with Russian troops on Eastern Ukrainian borders.
Because the Crimea issue is settled more or less ( I mean when the West drops its pretenses and hypocrisy for a moment, they know they'd do the same in Russia's place; no one just hands their fleets/ports on a golden plate to adversaries.)
But Eastern Ukraine is already a different story.

This.
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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Well at least Russia still has some friends in North Korea, Assad-run Syria, Robert Mugabe, Sudan, and the communist/socialist banana republics of Latin America.
In terms of the major nations (using G20 as standard):

YES (13+(1)): Australia, Canada, (European Union), France, Germany, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States
ABSTAIN (5): Argentina, Brazil, China, India, South Africa
NO (1): Russia
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I am still trying to figure out what's the deal with Russian troops on Eastern Ukrainian borders.
Because the Crimea issue is settled more or less ( I mean when the West drops its pretenses and hypocrisy for a moment, they know they'd do the same in Russia's place; no one just hands their fleets/ports on a golden plate to adversaries.)
But Eastern Ukraine is already a different story.
Same here. "Annexing" Crimea was OK in my view, but if Putin decides to grab other territories as well, I will cease to support Russia in this mess. Not that I think the West is any better or that Eastern Ukrainians should not decide where they want to live in the future, but it should be done via an internationally accepted and organized referendum.
I think Putin has made his point, now he should call his troops back and let the dust settle... Maybe even offer to hold a referendum in the more or less occupied parts of Finland...
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Old 03-27-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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In terms of the major nations (using G20 as standard):

YES (13+(1)): Australia, Canada, (European Union), France, Germany, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States
ABSTAIN (5): Argentina, Brazil, China, India, South Africa
NO (1): Russia
Basically the Cold War all over again though this time Eastern Europe is in the NATO camp and the emerging markets and powers of Brazil, China, and India making up sort of the new aligned states(in a way) that could go either way.
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